1 00:00:05,570 --> 00:00:03,200 when we've got Heidi Hollis on with us 2 00:00:08,179 --> 00:00:05,580 and we got a great guest tonight in 3 00:00:11,570 --> 00:00:08,189 captain Kelly Sweeney he's a oh he's a 4 00:00:15,470 --> 00:00:11,580 master mariner he's just quite the guy I 5 00:00:17,420 --> 00:00:15,480 mean he's the sailor and Heidi I think 6 00:00:19,609 --> 00:00:17,430 we'll have a great show I mean there's a 7 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:19,619 lot involved with sailing and yeah 8 00:00:24,410 --> 00:00:23,369 sounds legacy well I love the sea I 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:24,420 don't know whether you know about my 10 00:00:29,740 --> 00:00:27,170 background but I uh 11 00:00:31,730 --> 00:00:29,750 yes I've heard 12 00:00:34,819 --> 00:00:31,740 okay well I didn't know I would make it 13 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:34,829 all that did I tell you at one time one 14 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:38,070 time when I was thinking about escaping 15 00:00:48,350 --> 00:00:46,020 Phyllis I I was offered a job as third 16 00:00:50,569 --> 00:00:48,360 mate on an ocean-going tug for shell I 17 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:50,579 don't know ever told you about that but 18 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:52,320 let's see I had so much nautical 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:54,510 background through my life that the guy 20 00:01:00,790 --> 00:00:57,210 that was a port captain which is what an 21 00:01:03,349 --> 00:01:00,800 admiral or something and for shell he 22 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:03,359 was gonna put start me as a third mate 23 00:01:06,770 --> 00:01:05,040 and I've been a captain within a year 24 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:06,780 but can you imagine how exciting that 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:09,420 would have been this would have been in 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:10,770 the north this would have been in the 27 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:12,210 North Sea you know you've seen those 28 00:01:16,190 --> 00:01:14,400 pictures with the bug goes up and down 29 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:16,200 for those giant troughs and course it's 30 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:20,549 cold as all get-out I think that shows 31 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:23,369 call something like that yeah exactly 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:25,200 what's up now this would be for shell 33 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:27,210 and but I you know I'd be making a 34 00:01:30,370 --> 00:01:28,590 quarter million three hundred thousand a 35 00:01:33,499 --> 00:01:30,380 year right now so I'm still doing it 36 00:01:35,149 --> 00:01:33,509 mm-hm and Horsa shell has very benefits 37 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:35,159 I didn't because I want to raise my 38 00:01:38,690 --> 00:01:36,720 daughter and all that stuff and be 39 00:01:40,730 --> 00:01:38,700 proximate to her but they they work 40 00:01:43,039 --> 00:01:40,740 three weeks on a North Sea in one week 41 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:43,049 off so they fly back home to the United 42 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:45,840 States for one week off but ain't right 43 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:48,060 now a lot of you know through my whole 44 00:01:52,670 --> 00:01:50,490 life I was always you know piloting 45 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:52,680 boats and stuff but I've always had a 46 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:54,270 fascination with it I think everybody 47 00:02:00,590 --> 00:01:58,320 will tease a lot of exciting formats you 48 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:00,600 find yourself in a lot of weird stuff 49 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:04,560 happens out on the water and it's like 50 00:02:09,139 --> 00:02:07,110 one big adventure so it's like 51 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:09,149 undiscovered planet because I mean 52 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:10,440 there's so much that we don't know about 53 00:02:14,059 --> 00:02:12,870 our oceans I find that they always 54 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:14,069 really 55 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:17,870 nothing I mean there's creatures and 56 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:20,040 look like something out of a science 57 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:23,430 fiction movie but no there's an 58 00:02:27,229 --> 00:02:25,530 incredible not about the oceans here I'm 59 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:27,239 glad you brought that up people do not 60 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:30,000 know now I want to tell the folks that 61 00:02:33,649 --> 00:02:31,769 you know when I talk about a couple 62 00:02:35,630 --> 00:02:33,659 things but towards the end of the ten 63 00:02:41,210 --> 00:02:35,640 minute news segment we're gonna run an 64 00:02:42,979 --> 00:02:41,220 EVP mm-hmm and and what it is is some 65 00:02:45,350 --> 00:02:42,989 gal I know name's Sarah I won't say her 66 00:02:48,589 --> 00:02:45,360 last name for her own anonymity snake 67 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:48,599 and you know I didn't get an OK to say 68 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:49,530 she was but anyway 69 00:02:56,089 --> 00:02:52,769 Sarah and her family were living in a 70 00:02:58,300 --> 00:02:56,099 haunted house and it was kind of scary 71 00:03:01,610 --> 00:02:58,310 because her son would wake up in terror 72 00:03:05,660 --> 00:03:01,620 daughter the same way and she was 73 00:03:09,140 --> 00:03:05,670 actually grabbed by a ghost I suppose in 74 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:09,150 a sexual manner and team came in to 75 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:11,310 investigate a medium picked up spirits 76 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:15,780 and two brothers and ostensibly made 77 00:03:21,409 --> 00:03:18,510 them cross over and still there was a 78 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:21,419 third spirit of an old Buzzard hanging 79 00:03:27,559 --> 00:03:25,769 around the house and made many attempts 80 00:03:31,430 --> 00:03:27,569 at picking up an EVP and then she picked 81 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:31,440 up this EVP and it's a musical one it's 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:32,639 just different it's just something 83 00:03:35,330 --> 00:03:33,810 different and towards the end of the 84 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:35,340 show I'll give you all the high sign 85 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:39,180 that will play the EVP and then we'll 86 00:03:44,259 --> 00:03:41,310 run it through twice it's 22 seconds so 87 00:03:46,699 --> 00:03:44,269 it'd be a 44 second listening session 88 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:46,709 but I think it's something different 89 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:49,769 that's just yeah I used to not be able 90 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:53,040 to listen to whispery EVP voices they 91 00:03:57,020 --> 00:03:54,840 just freaked me out because I've heard 92 00:04:04,039 --> 00:03:57,030 too many personally you know in real 93 00:04:06,050 --> 00:04:04,049 life music well it's it's not the name 94 00:04:08,330 --> 00:04:06,060 rate I you know I don't go for the 95 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:08,340 demonic or anything like that but you 96 00:04:13,369 --> 00:04:11,459 know I don't you know emphasize this is 97 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:13,379 being necessarily demonic but it's 98 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:14,489 definitely weird 99 00:04:19,969 --> 00:04:16,320 and I thought y'all might find this 100 00:04:23,649 --> 00:04:19,979 interesting but I didn't you know I told 101 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:23,659 you off the air that I had a little 102 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:25,650 burden calorie and I'm always having 103 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:27,090 these little bird encounters 104 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:29,340 and I read a lot of cars I rent one 105 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:31,020 couple once or twice a month just to 106 00:04:36,020 --> 00:04:33,990 keep miles off my my regular rides 107 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:36,030 because I can drive the pants off of 108 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:38,910 them idea Enterprise leasing hopefully 109 00:04:44,930 --> 00:04:43,320 isn't listening that I Drive by the way 110 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:44,940 I love enterprise leasing and they love 111 00:04:50,330 --> 00:04:48,090 me but at one time when I was working 112 00:04:54,530 --> 00:04:50,340 for State Farm I used to have 30 people 113 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:54,540 a week in a rent car for enterprise 30 114 00:04:59,060 --> 00:04:57,570 different claimants so family they not 115 00:05:01,700 --> 00:04:59,070 immediately we're gonna make a bronze 116 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:01,710 plaque acted me somewhere but what 117 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:05,639 happened is this I go to Walmart and I 118 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:07,560 feed the birds but she would figure 119 00:05:12,110 --> 00:05:09,090 since I'm in different vehicles all the 120 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:12,120 time they wouldn't know who you know I 121 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:13,410 mean I understand there's hundreds and 122 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:14,700 hundreds and hundreds it's Walmart those 123 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:17,340 look I'm Oh Heidi sometimes a million in 124 00:05:22,190 --> 00:05:19,050 a day it's that busy 125 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:22,200 so by the holidays I mean they're one of 126 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:23,970 the biggest and the fact I heard him 127 00:05:27,409 --> 00:05:26,130 clapping himself on the back today when 128 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:27,419 I was in there they're the number one in 129 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:29,280 the region or something but what I'm 130 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:30,570 saying is there's hundreds of cars 131 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:33,870 hundreds of cars so as far as the birds 132 00:05:37,490 --> 00:05:35,640 if you know if I was driving my silver 133 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:37,500 Ford truck you could say well they key 134 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,490 into that right but no but I mean this 135 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:43,680 is just a little black Chevy I'm writing 136 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:46,110 right now on I usually rent other kinds 137 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:48,990 of vehicles and there's no way they 138 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:50,190 should have been able to key into that 139 00:05:59,360 --> 00:05:54,030 but before I got out of the door the 140 00:06:02,300 --> 00:05:59,370 birds were lining up to get fed well I'm 141 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:02,310 not saying this is dramatic is an EVP or 142 00:06:11,060 --> 00:06:04,910 something but it is bizarre 143 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:11,070 yeah - wild and it's the same parking 144 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:13,919 lot is that crow who I told you about a 145 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:15,690 year ago he just lit on top of the 146 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:19,470 doorframe and no yeah such a sack for to 147 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:21,750 yak in the act for two minutes with me 148 00:06:26,050 --> 00:06:23,280 like you know here's what happened blah 149 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:26,060 blah blah blahs but a hard day and the 150 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:28,710 little format here and blah blah blah 151 00:06:35,540 --> 00:06:31,050 blah and that's exactly what happened 152 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:35,550 Wow so I don't know I mean it's not bad 153 00:06:39,860 --> 00:06:37,530 it's good I have seen have a rapport 154 00:06:40,430 --> 00:06:39,870 with animals but this was a little 155 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:40,440 strange 156 00:06:44,690 --> 00:06:41,970 I mean you could see if they if they 157 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:44,700 actually see me to get out and sale 158 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:48,810 that's the old bird feeder guy okay but 159 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:50,850 they were they were lining up before I 160 00:06:54,830 --> 00:06:53,130 even opened out the open the door they 161 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:54,840 didn't know me I could have been a big 162 00:06:58,250 --> 00:06:56,220 fat woman or something they wouldn't 163 00:07:01,900 --> 00:06:58,260 know I mean they had no physical 164 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:01,910 features to distinguish right that's 165 00:07:08,420 --> 00:07:04,820 they have a sixth sense they say so 166 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:08,430 animals mystery see well I guess we 167 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:10,890 better get to the EVP now once again 168 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:12,570 folks Joe I want to give Joe the high 169 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:14,520 sign let's go ahead and play the EVP 170 00:08:03,450 --> 00:07:16,890 twice okay and then we'll see what you 171 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:06,839 pretty distinctive that's wild 172 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:10,580 that's really written hey what was it 173 00:08:15,969 --> 00:08:13,910 was it was I don't know guys but I mean 174 00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:15,979 if you if you picked that up on me VP 175 00:08:21,490 --> 00:08:19,039 you'd be darn shocked there's no music 176 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:21,500 yeah Sarah said there was no there was 177 00:08:27,610 --> 00:08:25,970 no you know musical background no way 178 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:27,620 music could emanate from anything no 179 00:08:33,490 --> 00:08:30,610 radios no you know players of any Tod 180 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:33,500 episode I know from what era that song 181 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:35,930 comes from you know I haven't the 182 00:08:41,050 --> 00:08:38,330 vaguest idea enough music to stick in my 183 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:41,060 ear but but no that's definitely what 184 00:08:45,220 --> 00:08:43,760 happened and I don't know you hear about 185 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:45,230 these things but by golly there's the 186 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:47,330 evidence and Sarah's very credible so 187 00:08:51,310 --> 00:08:49,430 we'll be right back with captain Kelly 188 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Sweeney and just after the break and I 189 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:52,130 know you'll enjoy it 190 00:08:57,699 --> 00:08:56,330 we'll be right though well it's great to 191 00:09:00,010 --> 00:08:57,709 be back with Heidi and we've got 192 00:09:02,949 --> 00:09:00,020 excellent guests and captain Kelly 193 00:09:05,139 --> 00:09:02,959 Sweeney he's a master mariner he holds 194 00:09:06,790 --> 00:09:05,149 the highest captain's license issued by 195 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:06,800 the Coast Guard he graduated from the 196 00:09:11,170 --> 00:09:09,500 California Maritime Academy in 1983 with 197 00:09:13,829 --> 00:09:11,180 a bachelor's in nautical industrial 198 00:09:15,940 --> 00:09:13,839 technology he's worked on tankers 199 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:15,950 oceanographic ships passions our 200 00:09:21,370 --> 00:09:18,320 passenger vessels ocean-going tug boats 201 00:09:24,370 --> 00:09:21,380 and crew boats he's a columnist for the 202 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:24,380 professional Mariner magazine an author 203 00:09:31,630 --> 00:09:27,529 of from the bridge personal stories 204 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:31,640 modern orchard marine life and he 205 00:09:37,630 --> 00:09:34,640 operates maritime hid huh butters a job 206 00:09:40,329 --> 00:09:37,640 placement agency featuring featured 207 00:09:43,769 --> 00:09:40,339 speaker at various conferences captain 208 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:43,779 you're just a heck of a guy 209 00:09:50,139 --> 00:09:46,130 well hi Kevin it's great being back with 210 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:50,149 you on the Kevin cook show and Heidi I 211 00:09:54,970 --> 00:09:52,310 haven't had a chance to talk with you 212 00:10:00,250 --> 00:09:54,980 but I'm looking have this evening thanks 213 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:00,260 for hiding lives and the great seafaring 214 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:03,529 capital of well she's from Milwaukee 215 00:10:13,210 --> 00:10:10,850 Wisconsin but but anybody that 216 00:10:18,179 --> 00:10:13,220 I'm sorry well you know I was going to 217 00:10:21,069 --> 00:10:18,189 think of it the Great Lakes are a 218 00:10:23,469 --> 00:10:21,079 fantastic group of mariners working on 219 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:23,479 their my dad actually started on the 220 00:10:30,009 --> 00:10:26,089 Great Lakes how the colt was it called a 221 00:10:31,509 --> 00:10:30,019 coal passer and back when the most of 222 00:10:33,579 --> 00:10:31,519 the ships were steam-powered 223 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:33,589 and he started there he worked his way 224 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:35,029 up and then he was ended up going 225 00:10:41,069 --> 00:10:37,850 offshore ultimately but so hey the Great 226 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:41,079 Lakes have a great nautical tradition so 227 00:10:50,529 --> 00:10:43,910 good good Mariners from there there you 228 00:10:55,299 --> 00:10:50,539 go I told her my story how I had the 229 00:10:58,119 --> 00:10:55,309 third mate job opportunity but uh you 230 00:10:59,289 --> 00:10:58,129 know would always tickle me I told you 231 00:11:02,349 --> 00:10:59,299 we talked about this on the phone but 232 00:11:04,989 --> 00:11:02,359 Heidi my father was uh on a volunteer 233 00:11:07,029 --> 00:11:04,999 basis he worked for the Coast Guard in 234 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:07,039 South Florida and he was actually in 235 00:11:12,189 --> 00:11:09,970 charge of getting teachers to teach 236 00:11:15,069 --> 00:11:12,199 boating courses to the community you 237 00:11:16,539 --> 00:11:15,079 know and you know staffing teachers at 238 00:11:18,669 --> 00:11:16,549 these various locations for the Coast 239 00:11:23,439 --> 00:11:18,679 Guard and he would hobnob with a lot of 240 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:23,449 admirals and Captain Sweeney he asked 241 00:11:28,059 --> 00:11:24,769 them this is during the Bermuda Triangle 242 00:11:29,949 --> 00:11:28,069 period whereas if again just thought 243 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:29,959 it's a Charles but this book came out 244 00:11:36,429 --> 00:11:33,769 and they told him in all honesty ten 245 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:36,439 percent of disappearances and cases had 246 00:11:42,009 --> 00:11:38,809 a weird twist to them that there was no 247 00:11:43,779 --> 00:11:42,019 legitimate explanation the Coast Guard 248 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:43,789 would come up on a vessel and it's a a 249 00:11:47,889 --> 00:11:45,350 cigarette would be burning in an ashtray 250 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:47,899 might take maybe 10 minutes and yet 251 00:11:54,429 --> 00:11:51,649 there's no sigh and of life no blood or 252 00:11:57,129 --> 00:11:54,439 sign of a struggle and the even in the 253 00:12:00,429 --> 00:11:57,139 70s the Coast Guard boats could you know 254 00:12:03,340 --> 00:12:00,439 see 10 miles around it in the air on the 255 00:12:05,710 --> 00:12:03,350 surface or even under the water so what 256 00:12:09,819 --> 00:12:05,720 do you make of that captain what a kick 257 00:12:12,099 --> 00:12:09,829 is caught there well the Bermuda 258 00:12:17,349 --> 00:12:12,109 Triangle has been an enigma for hundreds 259 00:12:19,749 --> 00:12:17,359 of years this is true yep I will say 260 00:12:24,199 --> 00:12:19,759 that having been through the Bermuda 261 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:24,209 Triangle transiting a number of times I 262 00:12:33,319 --> 00:12:31,160 not 100% sure about the the esoteric 263 00:12:36,410 --> 00:12:33,329 possibility the 10% of the ships just 264 00:12:38,629 --> 00:12:36,420 disappear for whatever reason but then 265 00:12:40,609 --> 00:12:38,639 again who knows I will say that there 266 00:12:43,579 --> 00:12:40,619 are mysteries on the sea Kevin that 267 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:43,589 can't be explained you know I was on the 268 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:46,740 ship one time on a tanker yeah in the 269 00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:48,089 middle of the North Pacific and we 270 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:50,100 received the captain received word that 271 00:12:54,829 --> 00:12:52,110 a distress call from another ship had 272 00:12:59,419 --> 00:12:54,839 been received about 25 miles from where 273 00:13:02,299 --> 00:12:59,429 we were and and so he came up to the 274 00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:02,309 bridge I was on watch and he said head 275 00:13:05,989 --> 00:13:04,920 for this position right here and and 276 00:13:08,059 --> 00:13:05,999 then he got everybody going the 277 00:13:11,449 --> 00:13:08,069 engineers were putting this team to the 278 00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:11,459 ship and and anyway my job was to be on 279 00:13:15,949 --> 00:13:13,519 the bridge wing as we got closer 280 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:15,959 scanning the horizon with binoculars and 281 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:19,230 as we got closer I didn't see any ship 282 00:13:25,369 --> 00:13:21,360 there there was no ship but there was an 283 00:13:32,749 --> 00:13:25,379 enormous whirlpool about a mile in 284 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:32,759 diameter and what Wow yeah that's right 285 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:33,660 just the middle of the North Pacific 286 00:13:38,329 --> 00:13:36,929 okay and so the characters I told the 287 00:13:39,829 --> 00:13:38,339 captain he goes whoa and so any he 288 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:39,839 starts it takes about two miles on a 289 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:43,230 ship like that to stop going full speed 290 00:13:48,109 --> 00:13:46,889 but he he he changed course he brought 291 00:13:50,329 --> 00:13:48,119 her back brought in a brought the 292 00:13:52,579 --> 00:13:50,339 throttle back and we first stopped there 293 00:13:54,319 --> 00:13:52,589 at a safe distance and this enormous 294 00:13:56,090 --> 00:13:54,329 whirlpool was right there within the 295 00:13:58,449 --> 00:13:56,100 position where the distress call was 296 00:14:01,129 --> 00:13:58,459 received and there was not any sign of 297 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:01,139 there was no debris there was no oil 298 00:14:06,530 --> 00:14:04,470 slick there were no people no survivors 299 00:14:09,889 --> 00:14:06,540 and lifeboats there was nothing the only 300 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:09,899 thing that I saw all of us saw was an 301 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:12,779 orange hardhat that was moving in this 302 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:15,209 world of this whirlpool and ultimately 303 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:17,490 you've gotten into the vortex that got 304 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:18,929 sucked down to the bottom of Davy Jones 305 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:22,970 locker and that was the only thing was a 306 00:14:28,489 --> 00:14:25,850 distress call that the distress call 307 00:14:30,139 --> 00:14:28,499 yeah this is a distress call the 308 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:30,149 authorities got it and they relayed that 309 00:14:34,199 --> 00:14:32,100 position to us and that ship was never 310 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:34,209 ever heard from again that was the old 311 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:35,889 thing that was heard from that ship what 312 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:38,350 what on earth causes such a whirlpool I 313 00:14:43,619 --> 00:14:40,360 mean no one flushed that toilet what 314 00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:43,629 what is that that's that's just cool 315 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:45,670 I don't have a clue but you know but 316 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:48,040 it's you know it's funny Heidi there are 317 00:14:52,319 --> 00:14:49,899 a lot of things that happen and you know 318 00:14:55,109 --> 00:14:52,329 he liked to just disappearances in the 319 00:14:56,999 --> 00:14:55,119 Bermuda Triangle or this whirlpool or 320 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,009 many other phenomena that happen to see 321 00:15:03,509 --> 00:14:59,040 that I have some which I've seen 322 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:03,519 firsthand that are definitely have 323 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:06,040 always been considered to be tall pay of 324 00:15:11,699 --> 00:15:09,040 Mariners tails but now with battle with 325 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:11,709 satellite imagery it's been proven by 326 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:13,600 scientists that enormous whirlpools 327 00:15:18,660 --> 00:15:16,990 exist throughout the earth in the oceans 328 00:15:20,489 --> 00:15:18,670 of in different areas of the earth an 329 00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:20,499 enormous one was found off of South 330 00:15:24,059 --> 00:15:22,480 America once and scientists are 331 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:24,069 beginning to postulate that what these 332 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:27,519 whirlpools do is mix the cold and warm 333 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:29,439 ocean water in the oceans they're 334 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:32,170 they're basically a funnel that churns 335 00:15:36,929 --> 00:15:34,929 the the cold and warm water and mixes 336 00:15:39,389 --> 00:15:36,939 and that's one theory but nothing has 337 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:39,399 ever been proved Wow there's none that 338 00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:40,809 happened on the great lakes then I'm 339 00:15:45,079 --> 00:15:42,819 assuming well there are definitely 340 00:15:49,289 --> 00:15:45,089 different phenomena on the great lakes 341 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:49,299 that are peculiar to that area matter of 342 00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:53,170 fact in my opinion the wreck of the 343 00:16:01,679 --> 00:15:56,079 Edmund Fitzgerald was caused by one of 344 00:16:04,829 --> 00:16:01,689 these unusual phenomena gosh it's wild 345 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:04,839 stuff yeah it's not a whirlpool but the 346 00:16:08,939 --> 00:16:06,670 inner Fitzgerald no I'm sure that you 347 00:16:10,139 --> 00:16:08,949 you know being from the Midwest you've 348 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:10,149 heard of the Edmund Fitzgerald and of 349 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:11,410 course everybody's heard that song by 350 00:16:16,769 --> 00:16:13,420 Gordon Lightfoot directly in the 351 00:16:19,769 --> 00:16:16,779 Fitzgerald okay that was that was what 352 00:16:22,739 --> 00:16:19,779 that song was describing was the night 353 00:16:27,059 --> 00:16:22,749 that that ship went down and what I 354 00:16:29,819 --> 00:16:27,069 believe happened in that is that a rare 355 00:16:31,289 --> 00:16:29,829 circumstance of three rogue waves that 356 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:31,299 have it very quickly called the three 357 00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:35,110 sisters in that area those exact weather 358 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:38,079 conditions and I and the ship was 359 00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:41,049 already getting hammered but I believe 360 00:16:45,539 --> 00:16:43,779 that the the first rogue wave washed 361 00:16:47,319 --> 00:16:45,549 over the ship and slammed in the center 362 00:16:49,109 --> 00:16:47,329 of it probably knocking over some 363 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:49,119 knocking off some hatch covers and 364 00:16:53,739 --> 00:16:51,410 reducing the watertight integrity of the 365 00:16:56,829 --> 00:16:53,749 ship or eliminating it the second one 366 00:16:58,809 --> 00:16:56,839 came washed over it and started to cause 367 00:17:00,129 --> 00:16:58,819 structural damage to the ship and and 368 00:17:03,819 --> 00:17:00,139 basically break it apart and I think the 369 00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:03,829 third one dinner men and the the three 370 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:06,159 sisters are what this calls our three 371 00:17:11,169 --> 00:17:09,049 rogue waves and they're unique to the go 372 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:11,179 to the Great Lakes you don't find that 373 00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:13,480 situation anywhere else in the world and 374 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:16,640 the the verification that I have for 375 00:17:21,159 --> 00:17:18,589 that was a ship that was about ten miles 376 00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:21,169 away that didn't get didn't go down that 377 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:22,819 night the captain of that vessel 378 00:17:29,259 --> 00:17:26,630 reported three rogue waves within a 379 00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,269 matter of minutes before the Edmund 380 00:17:31,269 --> 00:17:30,799 Fitzgerald went down and so that's my 381 00:17:34,419 --> 00:17:31,279 theory 382 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:34,429 terrible strange things happen all over 383 00:17:38,139 --> 00:17:36,230 the it all over the world and inland 384 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:38,149 waters and often in the oceans they 385 00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:41,450 happen all the time it sounds like one 386 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:43,340 quick look I know we're gonna have lots 387 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:45,110 of stories captain tonight but let me 388 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:46,970 tell you our real quickie that I a guy 389 00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:49,610 told me he was petty officer of the 390 00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:52,760 Walsh on a carrier a naval carrier that 391 00:18:01,149 --> 00:17:54,559 was going from Galveston to Pensacola 392 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,159 and what happened was they saw the 393 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:02,720 running lights of a ship off in the 394 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:05,570 distance from the carrier and the ID of 395 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:06,950 course that made him all excited because 396 00:18:10,570 --> 00:18:08,570 there's only so many carriers and you 397 00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:10,580 know they're very important vessels and 398 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:14,000 all that and the the radar and all that 399 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:16,010 could he pick up pleasure craft and 400 00:18:20,889 --> 00:18:19,250 other vessels and so forth but 300 guys 401 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:20,899 on the deck of this carrier saw the 402 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,750 running lights of a giant ship and it 403 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:25,760 didn't show up on radar or anything else 404 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:27,590 and the Pentagon was even going bats 405 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:29,289 about what was going on with it 406 00:18:33,730 --> 00:18:31,820 you ever hear anything like that er I 407 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:33,740 sure have and I and I think what 408 00:18:39,159 --> 00:18:36,049 happened is probably do you know what 409 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:39,169 time of year that was Kevin no I don't 410 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:42,500 he's down the wing told me I really 411 00:18:46,389 --> 00:18:44,600 thought he was he was petty officer of 412 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,399 the watch but I mean that's all I know 413 00:18:50,889 --> 00:18:48,080 about that but as far as he didn't get 414 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:50,899 he didn't indicate it was very cold but 415 00:18:54,850 --> 00:18:53,210 then again it in the Gulf I would figure 416 00:18:56,409 --> 00:18:54,860 it'd be kind of warm anyway wouldn't 417 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:56,419 well what a lot of people don't realize 418 00:19:01,570 --> 00:18:58,970 a lot of landlubbers don't realize 419 00:19:02,919 --> 00:19:01,580 is that you know the mirages that people 420 00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:02,929 see like when you're driving in the 421 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,840 desert and oh I'm not dating be that 422 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:07,520 rippling on the road and it looks like 423 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:09,650 you know there's water on there well a 424 00:19:16,510 --> 00:19:11,120 lot of people don't realize they're 425 00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:16,520 mirages at sea - the I think was what 426 00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:18,590 probably happened on that one is what we 427 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:22,070 call a superior image Mirage and that's 428 00:19:28,029 --> 00:19:25,070 that's caused by temperature differences 429 00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:28,039 and actually an inversion of cold and 430 00:19:34,210 --> 00:19:31,789 warm air and an old friend of mine who's 431 00:19:35,860 --> 00:19:34,220 now retired Ted he was captain for many 432 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:35,870 years when he was a young man just 433 00:19:41,529 --> 00:19:38,720 starting out he was on the lookout just 434 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,539 like your friend here and although he 435 00:19:45,789 --> 00:19:43,760 was on a merchant ship and all of a 436 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:45,799 sudden out of nowhere on a collision 437 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:49,120 course here comes this enormous ship 438 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,860 heading right at him the officer of the 439 00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:54,320 watch is freaking out it doesn't show up 440 00:19:59,260 --> 00:19:56,630 on radar he's calling the ship nobody 441 00:20:02,649 --> 00:19:59,270 answers he calls the captain the captain 442 00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:02,659 comes up and they look at it in the 443 00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:04,100 cabinets as well I think you just saw 444 00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:06,830 your first superior image mirages right 445 00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:09,320 there mr. mate and what that causes is 446 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:12,500 that a vessel what that allows is a 447 00:20:17,289 --> 00:20:15,530 vessel that's below the horizon and 448 00:20:19,899 --> 00:20:17,299 enabled the conditions are just right 449 00:20:22,899 --> 00:20:19,909 that it the light has read the image is 450 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:22,909 refracted that you can see it above the 451 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:25,190 horizon down an another part of the 452 00:20:29,950 --> 00:20:28,070 ocean and it looks like it's coming 453 00:20:32,649 --> 00:20:29,960 right at you and what it really is is a 454 00:20:34,210 --> 00:20:32,659 mirror is an image and most of the time 455 00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,220 that image is upside down but in the 456 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:36,080 superior mirages image in the right 457 00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,210 conditions it's right side up and it 458 00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:39,919 looks like a ship coming right at you 459 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:42,440 and then all those probably yeah that 460 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:45,260 was probably good and all of a sudden 461 00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:55,850 it'll disappear you know I think I 462 00:21:01,659 --> 00:20:58,100 wonder if today they had a mirage 463 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:01,669 tsunami because you know that earthquake 464 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:04,400 that hit over in Alaska was at 7.8 and 465 00:21:11,529 --> 00:21:07,030 they hit they were recording on a blue 466 00:21:12,019 --> 00:21:11,539 38 a size of 38 foot waves coming and 467 00:21:13,849 --> 00:21:12,029 they 468 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:13,859 put an alert on the whole West Coast for 469 00:21:17,989 --> 00:21:15,570 her that's an ami to hit because they 470 00:21:21,849 --> 00:21:17,999 had measured the waves and nothing I 471 00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:21,859 mean that's like a mirage it's a weird 472 00:21:27,109 --> 00:21:23,759 well it could have been it could have 473 00:21:30,379 --> 00:21:27,119 been absorbed or maybe the tsunami 474 00:21:32,629 --> 00:21:30,389 went and crossed the path where the buoy 475 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,639 was and was able to record it but maybe 476 00:21:37,849 --> 00:21:34,320 it's spread out and didn't follow maybe 477 00:21:40,729 --> 00:21:37,859 the the curve of the coast maybe it's 478 00:21:42,499 --> 00:21:40,739 further offshore a tsunami offshore we 479 00:21:44,419 --> 00:21:42,509 don't even notice a tsunami out at sea 480 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:44,429 but tsunami 481 00:21:52,729 --> 00:21:49,679 Japanese is tsunamis Japanese for harbor 482 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:52,739 wave and tsunami is only dangerous when 483 00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:54,210 it comes into the harbor and then it 484 00:21:59,149 --> 00:21:56,759 hits land and it rises up with the 485 00:22:02,089 --> 00:21:59,159 contour of the of the bottom and then 486 00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:02,099 it's a danger to people sure at sea we 487 00:22:05,479 --> 00:22:03,539 won't it's just another way we don't 488 00:22:09,169 --> 00:22:05,489 even notice them and by talking about 489 00:22:12,229 --> 00:22:09,179 tsunamis I have a good friend who was 490 00:22:14,209 --> 00:22:12,239 used to work up back in the day for an 491 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:14,219 outfit called Alaska steamship and then 492 00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,179 Valdez I believe it was 60 63 or 64 it 493 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:20,700 was 64 there was like a nine point 494 00:22:26,060 --> 00:22:22,289 something earthquake that was centered 495 00:22:29,239 --> 00:22:26,070 right in Valdez and which is he which is 496 00:22:31,659 --> 00:22:29,249 the terminus of the North Slope with the 497 00:22:34,489 --> 00:22:31,669 Alaska Pipeline and it's where we load 498 00:22:37,459 --> 00:22:34,499 Alaska crude there in Valdez well the 499 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,469 old city basically got wiped out by the 500 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:40,080 earthquake but it was centered right in 501 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:43,080 Valdez which essentially is kin kind of 502 00:22:47,629 --> 00:22:44,849 a bowl and the mountains rise right up 503 00:22:50,329 --> 00:22:47,639 out of the water way up huge mountains 504 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:50,339 in Alaska this tsunami was generated and 505 00:22:57,829 --> 00:22:53,190 it was a hundred and ten foot tsunami oh 506 00:22:59,779 --> 00:22:57,839 my goodness he yep a hundred and ten 507 00:23:02,690 --> 00:22:59,789 feet it eleven stories high and he was 508 00:23:06,259 --> 00:23:02,700 on the ship at the time and and it was 509 00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:06,269 the the it was so but it hit the vessel 510 00:23:11,269 --> 00:23:08,099 the vessel was tied up at the dock where 511 00:23:12,379 --> 00:23:11,279 it was unloading cargo and of course 512 00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:12,389 they stopped everything on the 513 00:23:16,339 --> 00:23:13,799 earthquake you know damaged everything 514 00:23:19,489 --> 00:23:16,349 the tsunami came and it lifted the ship 515 00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:19,499 up over a warehouse it was right on the 516 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:22,169 dock set it down on the shore on the 517 00:23:25,399 --> 00:23:23,460 other side of 518 00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:25,409 warehouse we're talking about four or 519 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:27,929 five hundred foot ship system in on the 520 00:23:32,389 --> 00:23:30,419 wash back on the backwash of the tsunami 521 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:32,399 coming down the hill it picked it back 522 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:35,250 up again brought it over the warehouse 523 00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:37,529 and set it back down on the other side 524 00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:41,159 again and then a couple along Sherman 525 00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,750 died but everybody on board the crew 526 00:23:47,419 --> 00:23:44,220 nobody a couple people got hurt but 527 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:47,429 nobody died so the tsunamis are the real 528 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:48,870 deal but they're a harbor wave and 529 00:23:53,779 --> 00:23:49,890 you're not going to get slammed with 530 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:53,789 them unless you're in the harbor that 531 00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:56,130 would be a seriously exciting big deal 532 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:00,419 that would be just sleeping in your bed 533 00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:02,190 all of a sudden whoa what am i doing on 534 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:04,350 this side of it and then all of a sudden 535 00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:05,970 here's this big wall of water and whoa 536 00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:11,100 I'm going back the other way that makes 537 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:13,230 all my little maritime experiences seem 538 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:17,460 pretty pretty mild mannered of course I 539 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:19,080 didn't have that many I mean I'm just a 540 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:21,090 you know civilian but I'm just saying 541 00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:23,850 that the that's the ami thing blows your 542 00:24:30,919 --> 00:24:27,960 mom we're civilians to Kevin merchant 543 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:30,929 mariners well I wonder you know we're 544 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:34,289 not Milla hi no we alright alright but 545 00:24:38,299 --> 00:24:36,510 I'm just saying you know yeah the sea 546 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:38,309 the sea is not for the faint-hearted 547 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:40,169 it's not for people who dismiss its 548 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:44,250 power and and the sea has regardless of 549 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:45,750 how long you've been out there has 550 00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:47,730 mysteries and surprises for you 551 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:49,860 regardless of how long you've been out 552 00:24:55,159 --> 00:24:53,370 and as Mariners our job is to uh you 553 00:24:57,769 --> 00:24:55,169 know just kind of work through them it's 554 00:25:00,769 --> 00:24:57,779 what we do oh man that would be so 555 00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,779 exciting though my goodness but I don't 556 00:25:06,139 --> 00:25:02,880 know I should have said not civilian but 557 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:06,149 layman but but no let's let's take our 558 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:08,190 break in the bottom the our break and 559 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:09,270 we'll be right back with so many 560 00:25:19,540 --> 00:25:15,100 well it's great to be back with captain 561 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:19,550 Kelly Sweeney and Heidi Hollis captain I 562 00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:28,660 things could happen quickly as far as 563 00:25:32,290 --> 00:25:30,200 the storms and what-have-you I guess 564 00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:32,300 because it builds up heat but I remember 565 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:34,580 one time I was just a kid I was like 12 566 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:39,410 and we we were coming out of the area 567 00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:42,860 the Bahia Mara marina and this is taking 568 00:25:49,050 --> 00:25:45,020 the boat out for a spin and it was a 569 00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:49,060 beautiful day a sunny although that and 570 00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:51,740 captain within 15 minutes we were in 571 00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,150 25-foot waves and I don't know how it 572 00:26:01,060 --> 00:25:59,600 even came up so quickly and you know I 573 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:01,070 was just a kid I thought said dad this 574 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:03,740 is really great you know boy and he was 575 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:05,390 happy to cut between the troughs you 576 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:06,890 know what an angle so you can get 577 00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:09,530 swamped and the ice is great yeah yeah 578 00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:15,350 great I mean her tropical waters there 579 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:19,780 that changeable I guess well actually 580 00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:22,010 actually tell you the truth Kevin the 581 00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:26,060 the ocean is unpredictable in all waters 582 00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:27,920 I mean the worst weather that I've ever 583 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:30,350 experienced was not in warm climates but 584 00:26:36,910 --> 00:26:35,000 up way up north but they're the 585 00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:36,920 conditions change on the ocean so 586 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:40,640 quickly that yeah well for example you 587 00:26:46,210 --> 00:26:42,140 know there's a lot of old pneumonic 588 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:46,220 things that mayor's have used rhymes you 589 00:26:50,050 --> 00:26:47,600 know like red sky at night sailor's 590 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:50,060 delight Oh red sky at morning sailor 591 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:52,310 take warning now everybody's heard that 592 00:26:57,630 --> 00:26:54,170 one but those those have a basis in fact 593 00:26:59,980 --> 00:26:57,640 I mean and that particular one is 594 00:27:01,450 --> 00:26:59,990 because most of our weather at least in 595 00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:01,460 the northern hemisphere comes from the 596 00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:03,740 West when you have clear weather which 597 00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:06,020 is red sky at night you can see the nice 598 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:07,820 weather to the west of you as the Sun 599 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:10,370 sets that is a good sign because that's 600 00:27:15,790 --> 00:27:12,710 portending nice weather coming your way 601 00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:15,800 if you see red sky in the morning that 602 00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:17,870 weather is already to your East which 603 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:19,940 means the bad weather is coming in so 604 00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:22,210 there's a race in fact that and so 605 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:25,630 Mariners use those 606 00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:29,200 experiential mnemonics memory aids to 607 00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:31,960 remember different things so for example 608 00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:36,430 a few nights ago here in Seattle we we 609 00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:39,310 had a huge ring around the moon and I 610 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:40,840 told my wife I said well we're gonna get 611 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:43,030 rains probably tomorrow she goes really 612 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:44,650 and I said ring around the Sun or moon 613 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:46,660 means rain or snow is coming soon and 614 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:48,970 sure enough the next day was a deluge 615 00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:51,910 and so the ocean those things came up 616 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:55,030 because Mariners used those experiences 617 00:28:00,600 --> 00:27:57,970 to help those who followed put together 618 00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:00,610 what they were seeing with what they 619 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:02,680 what they were seeing what it meant if 620 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:05,350 all of a sudden the wind shifts in a 621 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:07,270 strange way or it goes a certain 622 00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:09,370 direction counterclockwise or clockwise 623 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:11,800 when you're out at sea you know for a 624 00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:12,970 fact and there's that there's a 625 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:15,550 hurricane or something you know a large 626 00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:18,310 storm either coming your way or moving 627 00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:22,720 away from you so just freak your wife 628 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:28,030 out and just say you're psychic I think 629 00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:30,130 better than that I'm not saying she 630 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:35,620 knows this was just so strange because 631 00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:37,510 you know is just a guy taking his kid 632 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:39,340 out on the boat and it looks sunny and 633 00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,050 nice like it always did down there and 634 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:43,600 uh I mean within twenty twenty-five 635 00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:45,850 minutes we were and twenty five-foot 636 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:48,700 waves because I I know we must have been 637 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:50,410 what two ten or twelve foot above the 638 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:52,150 waterline and the flying bridge I all 639 00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:53,920 about a 42-foot crispr craft I would 640 00:29:05,460 --> 00:28:57,580 think when you think 10 to 15 foot above 641 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:05,470 the water line I'd say 15 well the the 642 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:06,970 weather can change so fast you know like 643 00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:10,090 Heidi's from the Midwest and the Great 644 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:13,030 Lakes are notorious for having like when 645 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:15,310 you get a strong front going through 646 00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:17,710 from Canada on down across the Great 647 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:20,740 Lakes all the anglers boaters and 648 00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:23,770 commercial Mariners know how what the 649 00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:25,630 signs are with the clouds and where the 650 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:28,420 wind shifts what's coming in how fast it 651 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:31,330 could come and I think of the person 652 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:33,370 that you were out there with you were 653 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:35,260 really lucky to get back in and this 654 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:37,090 good that he 655 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:39,610 was able to navigate that but there are 656 00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:41,530 definitely in all parts of the world and 657 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:44,740 that's where local knowledge comes in to 658 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:48,970 to be aware of some change like that and 659 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,170 how quick it's going to happen up in 660 00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:52,240 Alaska there's a thing called a williwaw 661 00:30:00,960 --> 00:29:57,640 and basically it's a very fast wind that 662 00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:00,970 a that occurs that basically rolls down 663 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:04,500 the mountains on generally a warm a 664 00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:07,210 relatively comparatively warm mass of 665 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:11,440 air and will sweep down there and within 666 00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:12,970 a matter of minutes you're going to have 667 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,640 hurricane-force winds and then maybe 668 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:17,200 three or four hours later boom they'll 669 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:23,530 be gone lake effect snow and madness 670 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:25,390 like that like we've had surprise 671 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:27,610 blizzards it's like how do you not see a 672 00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:31,840 blizzard coming yeah it's the Great 673 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:34,059 Lakes it just dumps things on us it's so 674 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:38,140 bizarre I'm in Chicago now well the cago 675 00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:40,210 definitely has it in that's a maritime 676 00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:43,540 town a good maritime town but the Great 677 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:45,820 Lakes and that's why you know the P and 678 00:30:48,990 --> 00:30:47,290 I know a number of friends of mine who 679 00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:49,000 work on the Great Lakes and I said my 680 00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:52,870 dad started there that you really have 681 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,100 to know your stuff because the weather 682 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:55,840 will change very quickly weather and 683 00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,450 being a Mariner at sea are so 684 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:00,640 intertwined compared to the average 685 00:31:04,169 --> 00:31:02,410 person you know the average person looks 686 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:04,179 at the Weather Channel oh it's going to 687 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:06,070 rain today and the most of it happens 688 00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:08,290 you know they might bring an umbrella or 689 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:09,640 they might dress a little differently 690 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,220 but out at sea we look at weather 691 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:14,080 reports for the idea that if we make a 692 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:16,570 mistake that can cost our life a good 693 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:18,250 example a good example of that is the El 694 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:21,970 Faro which is the American was excuse me 695 00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:24,610 was the American cargo ship and went 696 00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:25,900 down in late 2015 697 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:30,580 hurricane Joaquin with and lost 33 hands 698 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:34,690 all hands on board perished and the one 699 00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:37,450 of the findings from that and it was the 700 00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:39,790 worst maritime u.s. maritime disaster in 701 00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:43,420 decades probably since the Edmund 702 00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:46,660 Fitzgerald were close to it that it came 703 00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,940 out the investor came in vegetation came 704 00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:50,340 out at the 705 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:55,110 captain especially ignored very 706 00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:58,050 pertinent and very timely weather 707 00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,120 information regarding that hurricanes 708 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:02,880 path and he sailed his vessel right into 709 00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:04,770 the path of that hurricane to their 710 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:07,740 demise so out of tea it's not it's not a 711 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:09,570 matter of just what are we going to wear 712 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,970 that day or you know or do I have to put 713 00:32:15,770 --> 00:32:14,220 an extra scarf on and I'm not and I'm 714 00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,780 not minimizing it you can die just as 715 00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:17,520 easily in a blizzard you know on the 716 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:20,940 highway but for a mariner it's it's life 717 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:22,410 and death and we look at we look at the 718 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:23,940 weather with a view of like what are we 719 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:25,110 going to come into what are we going to 720 00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:28,770 have to face and and there's and and 721 00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:30,300 when you're out there of course you 722 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:32,070 can't call anybody to help you it's not 723 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:33,150 like you're on the side of the road and 724 00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:34,530 you call triple-a or you know or the 725 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,180 police come and get you if there's a 726 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:37,980 fire or the ships start breaking up in 727 00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:39,810 the middle of the hurricane there's no 728 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:43,430 9-1-1 to call it's us and that's Oliver 729 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:45,450 captain I don't know if you've heard 730 00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:48,540 much about the secret space program that 731 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:50,100 is said to be going on with our 732 00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:52,770 government but I'm telling you if there 733 00:32:57,890 --> 00:32:54,870 was a choice of who I'd want behind the 734 00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:57,900 wheel going into uncharted territory it 735 00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:00,060 would be someone like yourself because 736 00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:03,750 you you taken all the signs and you know 737 00:33:13,010 --> 00:33:05,520 how to anticipate the worst case 738 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:13,020 scenario I mean geez so I'm not sure I'd 739 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:14,730 be able to either do we neither does 740 00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:16,290 this planet that's why we need 741 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:18,750 somebody's like you because if the ocean 742 00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:21,090 is kind of like uncharted territory I 743 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:22,350 mean there's so much we don't know about 744 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:24,780 it and here this blue planet is mostly 745 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:28,650 made of water so you like you know most 746 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:31,530 of this planet than most people well 747 00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:33,090 this is true as a matter of fact I 748 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:35,520 worked with one of the most famous 749 00:33:42,370 --> 00:33:38,340 oceanographers in the world a guy named 750 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:42,380 John Delaney who is world renowned and 751 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:44,760 he told me one time I was a chief 752 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:47,610 officer on a science ship he told me 753 00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,170 once he said Kelly he goes we know more 754 00:33:57,530 --> 00:33:52,620 about this moons of Saturn than we knew 755 00:33:58,910 --> 00:33:57,540 about the oceans on the earth oh yeah 756 00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:58,920 and I believe that and I believe that's 757 00:34:01,270 --> 00:33:59,960 true and 758 00:34:02,410 --> 00:34:01,280 and I've heard that from other famous 759 00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,420 scientists that I've worked with on 760 00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:05,360 those ships as well and so that's what 761 00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:06,830 they're auctioning refers are doing out 762 00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:08,750 there is to try to figure out like for 763 00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:10,100 example we were talking about last 764 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:13,550 segment that huge whirlpool that I saw 765 00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:15,740 on this in the North Pacific and now 766 00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:17,419 their scientists have found out through 767 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:20,780 satellite imagery that there are a lot 768 00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:22,370 more common than people realize 769 00:34:28,139 --> 00:34:26,120 microwaves for a long time rogue waves 770 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:28,149 were nothing more than the stuff of 771 00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:30,409 fairy tale as a matter of fact the first 772 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:33,350 captain I ever worked with was he was a 773 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:35,480 he was a nice old guy an old timer and 774 00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,810 he but he got a start on what was called 775 00:34:43,330 --> 00:34:40,879 that back in the day lumber schooners 776 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:43,340 and they were small smaller maybe three 777 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:46,610 four hundred foot vessels that would 778 00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:49,010 what we call stick ships they used booms 779 00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:50,600 that went in and out of the smaller 780 00:34:53,889 --> 00:34:52,280 ports on the west coast instead of the 781 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,899 big ones like Seattle or Portland they'd 782 00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:56,960 go in like - coos bay or Newport or 783 00:35:01,720 --> 00:34:59,330 someplace small like that picking up and 784 00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:01,730 taking off cargo he was on when he 785 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:04,040 started he was on the wheel as a seaman 786 00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:07,910 and he said off of Coos Bay one day it 787 00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:09,230 wasn't mean it was rough but all of a 788 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:11,960 sudden out of nowhere this enormous wave 789 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:15,350 rose out of the ocean and covered his 790 00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:17,930 entire ship it slammed the wheelhouse 791 00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:20,390 windows and blew the winner the windows 792 00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,940 in destroyed the entire wheelhouse 793 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:25,520 windows one shard of glass got impaled 794 00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:27,170 in his forehead it stuck right in his 795 00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:30,830 forehead oh but I can tell you he was a 796 00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:33,740 hard-headed old guy and so luckily he 797 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,150 made it through not two minute not to 798 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:37,040 make light of it but he made light of it 799 00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:38,780 but I noticed the scar and that's where 800 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:40,340 I when I worked with him and he told me 801 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:42,770 the story but that was a rogue wave and 802 00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:44,360 he told me it was Kelly don't let 803 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:45,980 anybody tell you that there's no such 804 00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,310 thing as rogue waves but at the time 805 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:51,680 that was before scientists had varied 806 00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:53,090 the exist 807 00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,400 roadways that didn't happen for 20 years 808 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:00,560 later until the North Sea there was a 809 00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:03,050 recording on a rig the dropping her wig 810 00:36:08,110 --> 00:36:05,750 that recorded a rogue wave it wasn't 811 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:08,120 until that time 20 years after actually 812 00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:10,430 at this point that's when I started the 813 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:11,870 experience that he had it was probably 814 00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:12,770 50 years 815 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:16,220 that verified that road waves exist for 816 00:36:19,330 --> 00:36:18,170 all before that and I have talked to 817 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:19,340 some scientists and I said you guys 818 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:20,810 didn't listen to us when we told you 819 00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:22,010 about this and they said yeah you're 820 00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,710 right we didn't and so I think more and 821 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:26,480 more they're finding that what Mariners 822 00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:29,090 have said are are happening out there we 823 00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:31,100 know the oceans this is where we spend 824 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:33,620 our lives and so the scientists are now 825 00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:35,690 believing us to that yes rogue waves do 826 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:36,200 exist 827 00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:38,630 huge whirlpools out in the ocean do 828 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:42,500 exist strange weather changes exist I 829 00:36:46,030 --> 00:36:44,390 mean it's just that's the environment we 830 00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:46,040 little then where's the mermaids you 831 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:52,960 well you know I'm not sure about the 832 00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:54,200 mermaids either but I'm sure they've 833 00:36:58,030 --> 00:36:56,150 learned more than one Mariner astray you 834 00:36:59,530 --> 00:36:58,040 know a good-looking woman who could sing 835 00:37:04,060 --> 00:36:59,540 okay that's the end of it they were 836 00:37:05,830 --> 00:37:04,070 probably well my captain wasn't it so 837 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:05,840 weren't these rogue waves a lot of 838 00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:07,640 people speculated that's to a certain 839 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:09,980 extent responsible some of the Bermuda 840 00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:13,130 Triangle issues and disparities ISM well 841 00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,550 I think that that's certainly possible 842 00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:18,560 you know rogue waves the curve 843 00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,060 throughout the world and actually again 844 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:21,680 with satellite imagery the satellite 845 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:24,110 imagery has really helped because you 846 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:25,940 can see the big picture which in the 847 00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:27,530 past before that we really never could 848 00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:31,120 that rogue waves occur far more 849 00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:33,800 frequently than anybody ever realized 850 00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,870 and that they're actually a relatively 851 00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:37,760 regular occurrence but because most of 852 00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:41,480 the time um you know people don't deal 853 00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,670 with it the ships there's not you know 854 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:45,200 ships in there and there or they just 855 00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:50,000 ride over it or whatever and so I would 856 00:37:57,790 --> 00:37:54,910 say that it's the truth that the 857 00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:57,800 phenomena that occur at sea are now 858 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:00,140 coming out of the realm of tall tales 859 00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:02,570 and sea stories and becoming scientific 860 00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,540 fact that's true there have been giant 861 00:38:18,460 --> 00:38:13,280 squid they've been sea creatures that 862 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:18,470 have come up yeah you know so 863 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,110 it's mild I dig it well you know one 864 00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,000 thing in retrospect I can honestly say 865 00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:26,460 never more I look at it I'm surprised I 866 00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,220 made it through to adulthood because 867 00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:30,900 okay now here's a guy I that's doing all 868 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:32,670 this stuff as far as supposed to being 869 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:34,950 knowledgeable seamen and and you know 870 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:38,100 hiring instructors for the Coast Guard 871 00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:40,860 all that how could dad want to ground so 872 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:43,260 much they had depth finders back then I 873 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:47,010 mean was he light-headed or what see he 874 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:49,110 was a runner grab this guy I ever seen 875 00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:53,850 him alive here you know there's there's 876 00:38:58,940 --> 00:38:56,430 it's a pretty sandy bottom over there 877 00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:58,950 Kevin so there might be some changes you 878 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:01,170 know in the in the bottom in certain 879 00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:03,570 places you know silting that occurs and 880 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:06,900 builds it up and then the the the waves 881 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,670 and whatever the wave action changes 882 00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,260 that and they pile up elsewhere the 883 00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:12,480 Columbia River is known for that that 884 00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:15,960 you know you talk to people who have 885 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:17,910 spent their life on the river and 886 00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:19,500 they'll say hey the river changes all 887 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:21,600 the time every day different songs and 888 00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:23,310 how though and how much it's flowing 889 00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,560 there's sandbars one day and then two 890 00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:27,900 weeks later there's no sandbar there so 891 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:31,550 I mean I don't blame him I think that 892 00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:33,690 there's something like that I mean hey 893 00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,280 that could happen easily what I think is 894 00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:39,780 bad is when you have people who go to 895 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:43,100 sea and they are not prepared for the 896 00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:45,210 possibilities that they are aware of 897 00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:47,790 they don't have the proper lifejacket so 898 00:39:50,570 --> 00:39:48,750 they don't have the right equipment 899 00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:50,580 we're in a commercial although we always 900 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:54,300 had that that we always had well you 901 00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:57,210 know that's prudent but I guess I just 902 00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:58,440 didn't understand it with all the depth 903 00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:00,390 finders he had and all that it seemed 904 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:01,830 like you know he shouldn't have to worry 905 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,880 about it but one time he got strategy he 906 00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:07,980 here at a ground for about two days till 907 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:10,950 he got off wherever he was at that and 908 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:13,830 the Caribbean but yeah that'll happen 909 00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:15,210 I've known people that have run aground 910 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:16,320 and then they have to wait for the next 911 00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:19,410 tide you know so there yeah everybody's 912 00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:20,630 laughing at him or whatever 913 00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:22,100 saying okay and then doing the tide 914 00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:23,870 comes back in and get out of there 915 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:26,060 so in other words don't be too Marsh in 916 00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,210 my perspective opinions don't be too 917 00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,040 hard on him no I mean he was he wasn't a 918 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:34,720 sailor by trade so no problem yeah 919 00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:37,070 there's some couple of questions in the 920 00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:41,180 chat room somebody's asking and and I 921 00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:43,400 get it you know how can a big airliner 922 00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:45,350 be lost in the ocean it's a it's a big 923 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:48,230 ocean it's easy to lose stuff but you 924 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:51,260 know how do you know tankers and whatnot 925 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:52,660 get lost 926 00:40:57,730 --> 00:40:56,450 well you mean like they go down and 927 00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:57,740 they're missing forever is that what 928 00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:00,460 they're yeah like the airliner was it 929 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:04,820 that's makes 377 mm-hmm yeah well I 930 00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:07,130 would say that you know a thousand-foot 931 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:10,070 ship and I've been on the thousand foot 932 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:11,690 ship I worked on number of thousand 933 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:15,500 footers it looks really big okay we're 934 00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:18,020 talking like five football what for 935 00:41:22,090 --> 00:41:19,670 move three four football fields long 936 00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:22,100 right it looks really big when you're at 937 00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:26,180 the dock but when you're out at sea it 938 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:29,150 looks really small and when you're in a 939 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:34,310 huge weather system you realize how puny 940 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:37,370 and small you really are and how Neptune 941 00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:40,730 the king of the Seas you hopefully will 942 00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:43,220 keep him in a good mood as you go along 943 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:45,560 because if anybody has seen the power of 944 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:47,750 a hurricane and I have I was in 945 00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:51,110 Hurricane Iniki in 94 in Hawaii and the 946 00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:53,360 power of a hurricane or the power of a 947 00:41:59,890 --> 00:41:57,950 severe storm that ship becomes much 948 00:42:02,920 --> 00:41:59,900 smaller and it is your only lifeline to 949 00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:02,930 survival and what's a way if there's 950 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:05,390 nothing else keeping you alive but what 951 00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:07,010 that what you're doing with that ship 952 00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:10,100 yeah yeah no it's amazing 953 00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:13,220 oh so how they can so how they can be 954 00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:15,320 like that that ship they had the 955 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:16,820 distress signal we went to that point 956 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:19,970 and it was gone ships will sink 957 00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:23,350 sometimes in a matter of two minutes the 958 00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:24,470 donee 959 00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:27,830 Wow there was a famous wreck over in the 960 00:42:33,809 --> 00:42:31,300 Baltic Sea in the mid-90s the Estonia 961 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:33,819 had lost eight and I think around 962 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:35,650 800 passengers died in that terrible 963 00:42:41,309 --> 00:42:39,729 tragedy but it went down it was in a 964 00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,319 matter of two minutes and it's not 965 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:44,079 unusual for the people in that 966 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:46,089 particular case the passengers some of 967 00:42:48,569 --> 00:42:47,170 them died didn't even get out of their 968 00:42:49,259 --> 00:42:48,579 bed they died in their staterooms in 969 00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:49,269 their bed 970 00:42:55,019 --> 00:42:51,400 you know the investigators found later 971 00:42:57,089 --> 00:42:55,029 so there have been a thousand foot 1200 972 00:42:59,660 --> 00:42:57,099 foot shifts bulk carriers laden with 973 00:43:03,239 --> 00:42:59,670 some kind of ore or coal or whatever and 974 00:43:05,279 --> 00:43:03,249 they'll split it open at sea and the 975 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,289 entire ship sinks so faster than people 976 00:43:08,819 --> 00:43:06,880 don't even have time to get up and get 977 00:43:11,099 --> 00:43:08,829 in their survival suit let alone launch 978 00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:11,109 a lifeboat so how do ships disappear 979 00:43:14,939 --> 00:43:13,779 like that well it happens it can happen 980 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:14,949 very quickly you can have a 981 00:43:20,699 --> 00:43:18,400 thousand-foot ship go down you know in a 982 00:43:23,609 --> 00:43:20,709 matter of minutes and it happens 983 00:43:27,959 --> 00:43:23,619 regularly there are hundreds of ships of 984 00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:27,969 varying sizes lost every year not all 985 00:43:34,709 --> 00:43:32,680 big - I've got one for you UK I've got 986 00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:34,719 one for you captain my I've got one for 987 00:43:40,229 --> 00:43:37,420 you captain my brother was a well not my 988 00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:40,239 oldest brother the middle brother was a 989 00:43:48,689 --> 00:43:43,180 sonar man and for the Navy back in the 990 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:48,699 70s and he said that the soul of our 991 00:43:53,849 --> 00:43:51,880 guys frequently saw okay they knew the 992 00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,859 fastest Russian sub would go like 60 993 00:44:00,599 --> 00:43:56,319 miles an hour at the time and it had a 994 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:00,609 distinctive sound signature okay he saw 995 00:44:05,729 --> 00:44:02,890 and other sonar men saw stuff that was 996 00:44:07,709 --> 00:44:05,739 going a hundred miles an hour 40 miles 997 00:44:10,890 --> 00:44:07,719 an hour faster than the fastest Russian 998 00:44:12,269 --> 00:44:10,900 sub soundlessly and he said happened and 999 00:44:14,249 --> 00:44:12,279 they were basically told gonna write it 1000 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:14,259 up at their port to shut up about it I 1001 00:44:17,549 --> 00:44:16,329 mean and this guy you know he was no 1002 00:44:20,339 --> 00:44:17,559 idiot and these are the Navy for six 1003 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:20,349 years and he wound up being a gs-15 so 1004 00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:23,529 he's good at what he did but also on our 1005 00:44:28,229 --> 00:44:25,180 men know this what do you think about 1006 00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:28,239 that oh I would say that there's no 1007 00:44:34,769 --> 00:44:31,180 question that with seven tenths of the 1008 00:44:38,459 --> 00:44:34,779 earth being covered by water how can 1009 00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:38,469 anybody say that we have a handle on 1010 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,329 what's going on as Delaney told me that 1011 00:44:44,939 --> 00:44:42,640 time that scientists we know more about 1012 00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:44,949 those at planets in the outer space than 1013 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:45,790 we do 1014 00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:48,610 you know of the ocean and so your 1015 00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:50,920 brother to see those strange anomalies I 1016 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:52,630 don't think that's unusual at all I 1017 00:44:56,490 --> 00:44:54,130 think that there's a lot of things that 1018 00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:56,500 can't be explained but because they're 1019 00:45:03,060 --> 00:44:58,540 either well maybe because we don't 1020 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:03,070 necessarily want to find out right or or 1021 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:05,170 it happens one time and then we ignore 1022 00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:08,710 it you know they just go by I'll tell 1023 00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:09,820 you a story and if we had I don't know 1024 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:11,230 if we have time but I'd say your story 1025 00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,090 was an unusual table for the top of the 1026 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:15,280 hour break yeah okay I'll tell you a 1027 00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:16,810 story that I don't think I've ever told 1028 00:45:22,590 --> 00:45:20,680 on the air but I was a junior officer on 1029 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:22,600 a tanker one time this was in the early 1030 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:27,130 90s and we were off of what's now called 1031 00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:29,650 Haida Haida Gwaii East we call the Queen 1032 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,180 Charlotte Islands off of British 1033 00:45:35,490 --> 00:45:33,040 Columbia on the way back up to Valdez 1034 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:35,500 and we were on a 900 foot ship but I was 1035 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:37,030 a junior officer so I was unwatched with 1036 00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,850 a sailor as a lookout and we were just 1037 00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:42,400 cruising along and all of a sudden up in 1038 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:45,220 the sky there's like this enormous Lee 1039 00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:46,450 brilliant light it looked like a 1040 00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:49,960 supernova and the the sailor on my watch 1041 00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:51,700 goes look at that I wouldn't I looked at 1042 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:54,220 my goodness what is that and the next 1043 00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:55,450 thing you know this thing's coming right 1044 00:45:59,100 --> 00:45:57,670 at us it was like it almost looked like 1045 00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:59,110 it was a missile or something hitting 1046 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:00,790 right as he's getting ready to jump over 1047 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:02,050 the side he goes Kelly I'm jumping over 1048 00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,150 it's gonna be it's gonna I said please 1049 00:46:08,910 --> 00:46:06,880 don't do that I said number one were 140 1050 00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:08,920 feet above the water you're probably not 1051 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:10,780 gonna make it number two I won't have to 1052 00:46:15,150 --> 00:46:12,430 spend the rest of my watch searching for 1053 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:15,160 you so don't jump and so anyway the next 1054 00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:18,730 thing I like your reasoning that's right 1055 00:46:23,220 --> 00:46:21,550 I know it's been there I mean I love I 1056 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,230 told him I said the bottom line is I 1057 00:46:25,770 --> 00:46:24,640 don't want to lose you and I don't want 1058 00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:25,780 to spend all the rest of my watch 1059 00:46:31,350 --> 00:46:27,220 looking for you 1060 00:46:33,330 --> 00:46:31,360 so anyway and it turned out to be the 1061 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:33,340 traditional UFO that people have heard 1062 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:35,170 about there's flames coming out the 1063 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:36,490 bottom there's these red and yellow 1064 00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:39,310 lights long like circling around the 1065 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:42,660 bottom and there's flames and I go whoa 1066 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:45,010 so the first thing I did was I went over 1067 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:46,450 to the radar cuz I thought I wonder if 1068 00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:48,610 that thing is real or maybe I've been 1069 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:50,080 out at sea too long and I should get off 1070 00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:53,020 in the next port so I go over and sure 1071 00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:55,270 enough it's on radar it's going the same 1072 00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,640 speed we are we were going 15.2 knots 1073 00:47:02,000 --> 00:46:59,200 which is pretty much our 1074 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:02,010 fifteen to 2:15 five was our our 1075 00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:04,450 Lightspeed we were lighting in ballast 1076 00:47:08,819 --> 00:47:07,150 heading back up to Alaska and so we were 1077 00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:08,829 going it was going 15 - it was keeping 1078 00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:11,680 about 2 miles from us and the same 1079 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:13,960 height above the horizon now of course 1080 00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:15,160 it was night it was hard to see but I'm 1081 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:17,230 guessing was probably a mile above the 1082 00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,290 water there abouts and it was going with 1083 00:47:25,290 --> 00:47:22,720 us and it did that for long enough that 1084 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:25,300 I called the captain and the captain was 1085 00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,910 an old-timer been around a long time and 1086 00:47:30,569 --> 00:47:29,680 I tell you he was a crotchety old guy I 1087 00:47:33,089 --> 00:47:30,579 have to 1088 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:33,099 he was the typical oh my gosh I didn't 1089 00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:34,990 really want to work with this guy but of 1090 00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:36,040 course we were stuck with him but I 1091 00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:37,240 didn't want to call him but I had no 1092 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:39,640 choice a good me if you don't see what's 1093 00:47:42,839 --> 00:47:41,050 going on has to call the captain 1094 00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:42,849 so I call him he comes up and he goes 1095 00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:45,460 what in the world is that and I said I 1096 00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:48,520 don't know but I had heard that aliens 1097 00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:50,619 abduct people so I was trying to do some 1098 00:47:59,099 --> 00:47:52,780 kind of telepathy with the aliens and 1099 00:48:01,319 --> 00:47:59,109 say please take him leave leave the 1100 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:01,329 young guy that sailor leave me take the 1101 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:03,310 old guy I mean not because he's old but 1102 00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,569 because he was a real pain in the neck 1103 00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:07,119 and the first officer was much better it 1104 00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,710 would have been a much nicer cabin 1105 00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:10,960 unfortunately even the aliens didn't 1106 00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:13,900 want him so he laid on a bridge and 1107 00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:16,900 after about two minutes that planes at 1108 00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:19,599 the the light started twirling again 1109 00:48:23,609 --> 00:48:21,940 like you know around the bottom the 1110 00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,619 flames came up and all of a sudden boom 1111 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:25,839 went right back up to the sky in the 1112 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:27,970 same place where it the super door or 1113 00:48:32,819 --> 00:48:30,250 whatever looked like a supernova was in 1114 00:48:34,109 --> 00:48:32,829 the sky and so I told the captain I said 1115 00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,119 we're doing we didn't log on that and he 1116 00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:35,680 goes just put unidentified lights in 1117 00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,750 this position and that's all mine I 1118 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:39,040 guess otherwise they'll take us off in 1119 00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,740 straitjackets and Valdez and so anyway 1120 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:44,319 I've had I've thought about that for 1121 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:48,130 years and I I will say that that that 1122 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:50,770 was an area where the Canadians would 1123 00:48:54,359 --> 00:48:52,810 always come and check the identity of a 1124 00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:54,369 ship and when I first started my career 1125 00:48:57,450 --> 00:48:55,720 they'd have a boat that would come out 1126 00:49:00,089 --> 00:48:57,460 who are you and what's your purpose out 1127 00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:00,099 here kind of thing and then then they'd 1128 00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:02,680 have these c-130 planes or in a big prop 1129 00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:04,390 job planes flying over and you knew they 1130 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,040 were just checking us and seeing who we 1131 00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:08,800 were so my thought was that this might 1132 00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:11,260 have been a drone you know but now this 1133 00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:11,980 was a course 1134 00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:16,420 you know 20 what 26 years ago 27 years 1135 00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,030 ago have people realize I'm like yes you 1136 00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,800 know yeah but I mean I think it was a 1137 00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:22,560 drone and they came down to check us out 1138 00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:25,480 see who we were and then went back up 1139 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:28,990 that's my theory anyway but I contact 1140 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:31,480 with that semen that Able Seaman them on 1141 00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:34,210 my watch since then and he swears it was 1142 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:35,560 aliens but they just rejected the 1143 00:49:42,210 --> 00:49:39,820 captain and that's why well I mean he 1144 00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:42,220 had Doug Doug my brother actually did 1145 00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,350 say that it was not just an isolated 1146 00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:46,480 nomally also in our men are experiences 1147 00:49:51,930 --> 00:49:47,710 and this was in the Pacific too by the 1148 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:51,940 way but but I mean it just happened and 1149 00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:53,710 don't even write it up in the report 1150 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:54,910 because they don't want to hear any sass 1151 00:50:00,240 --> 00:49:57,490 and you know just like they do with 1152 00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:00,250 conventional UFOs but they knew that a 1153 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:02,740 whale would go 30 miles an hour under 1154 00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:05,050 the water at best and the Russian sub 1155 00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,780 with a very noisy sound signature would 1156 00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:10,000 go 60 but this was like say a hundred 1157 00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:14,470 and soundlessly so it was a weird deal 1158 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:17,560 it really was you know I think you know 1159 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:21,850 he I'm sorry go ahead yeah well I see 1160 00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:23,170 what we'd better we're coming right up 1161 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:25,150 to our top of the hour break and we'll 1162 00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:26,890 take that we'll be right back with some 1163 00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:31,350 more good stories we'll be right back 1164 00:50:36,359 --> 00:50:34,060 well it's great being back with captain 1165 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:36,369 Kelly Sweeney and Heidi and these are 1166 00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:39,010 good stories this makes all frankly to 1167 00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:41,800 me this makes ghost stuff look like you 1168 00:50:49,820 --> 00:50:48,810 and it goes through the neverland ship 1169 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:49,830 too Kevin 1170 00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:52,090 okay well let me have that would make it 1171 00:51:01,500 --> 00:50:55,030 better than the regular ghost story okay 1172 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:01,510 well I was I was on this ship and I 1173 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:03,970 think we were in Los Angeles Long Beach 1174 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,090 and in port we still the ship you know 1175 00:51:14,190 --> 00:51:12,400 the still the ship works 24/7 365 1176 00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:14,200 whether you're at the dock or whether 1177 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:18,420 you're out at sea and so I the ship was 1178 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:21,970 working cargo but I I was on 1179 00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:23,740 and so I decided to go down in the 1180 00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:25,020 engine room to do a little bit of safety 1181 00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:27,550 stuff I had to check some extinguishers 1182 00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:29,470 and do some other things well we're in 1183 00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:32,910 port and so I took advantage of that 1184 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:35,230 while we were in while we're there and 1185 00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:37,270 it was later at night it wasn't real 1186 00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,030 late but it was you know maybe 10 or 11 1187 00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:43,359 at night and everybody else was doing 1188 00:51:46,799 --> 00:51:45,670 something different in there there were 1189 00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,809 a few engineers down in the engine room 1190 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:47,920 but they were in a completely different 1191 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:50,650 area and I was the one who was working 1192 00:51:56,460 --> 00:51:53,170 who was on watch up top the night made 1193 00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:56,470 and so I was down there in the engine 1194 00:51:59,880 --> 00:51:57,700 room basically by myself 1195 00:52:03,809 --> 00:51:59,890 and all of a sudden man it turned really 1196 00:52:05,819 --> 00:52:03,819 cold I'm talking like freezing cold and 1197 00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:05,829 I'm like whoa I mean we're talking about 1198 00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:07,540 I was in Los Angeles and I'm like what 1199 00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:09,910 is this you know and I got and then I 1200 00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:12,670 got this weird feeling like the hair in 1201 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:14,500 the back of my neck stood up and I felt 1202 00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:16,990 like I was being watched and so I kind 1203 00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:18,220 of looked around it today you know I 1204 00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:19,480 thought that might have been one of the 1205 00:52:23,309 --> 00:52:21,430 engineers or you know maybe one of the 1206 00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:23,319 seamen on my watch came down to talk to 1207 00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:25,750 me about something and all of a sudden 1208 00:52:29,849 --> 00:52:28,510 they just bang dropped down sounded like 1209 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:29,859 somebody dropped something on the middle 1210 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:33,160 great I had turned around startled but I 1211 00:52:41,849 --> 00:52:34,410 didn't see anything 1212 00:52:45,059 --> 00:52:41,859 Wow and and then I I I got this weird 1213 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:45,069 vibe and there was a strange noise like 1214 00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:47,890 almost like something going back and 1215 00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:50,109 forth like you know hanging like and 1216 00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:53,710 swinging back and forth II like that and 1217 00:52:58,859 --> 00:52:55,990 then me out man that was the end of it I 1218 00:53:00,990 --> 00:52:58,869 was completely freaked out and I ran up 1219 00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:01,000 out of that bottom of that ship down I 1220 00:53:05,069 --> 00:53:02,470 was at the bottom of the ship I ran out 1221 00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:05,079 of there like you know I could never I 1222 00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:07,630 couldn't believe I moved that fast and I 1223 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:10,180 got up on deck and I'm like and I was 1224 00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:11,650 telling when the engineers about it the 1225 00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:13,240 next day I said man that was just too 1226 00:53:18,059 --> 00:53:15,400 weird and he goes where about was that 1227 00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:18,069 that you heard that and I told him and 1228 00:53:22,349 --> 00:53:19,900 he goes you know Kelly he goes a couple 1229 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:22,359 years ago there was an engineer on here 1230 00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,210 I think it was a third engineer and he 1231 00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:28,000 had got a Dear John letter from the love 1232 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:31,420 of his life and he hung himself 1233 00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:34,530 in that location oh great 1234 00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:38,040 of the engine room and and he and he 1235 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:39,540 told me that other people had heard 1236 00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,730 noises in that area but nobody was going 1237 00:53:44,660 --> 00:53:42,720 to say anything because they don't want 1238 00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:44,670 to get as the captain that old timer 1239 00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,590 says he can up in a straitjacket in the 1240 00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,720 next port so nobody ever said anything 1241 00:53:53,020 --> 00:53:50,880 well it was just my imagination or just 1242 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,030 the wind or whatever it might have been 1243 00:53:57,020 --> 00:53:55,680 so anyway that's what I heard and there 1244 00:54:02,120 --> 00:53:57,030 was that scared the heck out of me I 1245 00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,130 tell you what there was a question when 1246 00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:04,140 we're talking about the UFOs people are 1247 00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:07,400 asking in the chat room if you'd seen 1248 00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,920 UFOs which are submerged unidentified 1249 00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,920 objects so why be seated you're both go 1250 00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:16,500 in and out of the water or not sir yeah 1251 00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,390 I I have not personally seen that but 1252 00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:20,700 i-i've heard of a couple guys who said 1253 00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,000 that they saw some kind of they thought 1254 00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:25,920 it was some kind of space debris or 1255 00:54:29,110 --> 00:54:27,240 something that are just coming down into 1256 00:54:31,690 --> 00:54:29,120 the atmosphere 1257 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:31,700 flaming and going down into the ocean 1258 00:54:38,090 --> 00:54:36,330 but I've heard stories that of things 1259 00:54:40,310 --> 00:54:38,100 coming out of the ocean like you know 1260 00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,320 like UFOs but I don't know anybody 1261 00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:43,680 personally that can say for sure that 1262 00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,630 that happened to him and I first have 1263 00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:47,640 never seen that myself so you've not 1264 00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:50,790 seen odd lights in the distance I mean 1265 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:52,140 there's a lot of time on the water 1266 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:54,210 that's just black and you haven't seen 1267 00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:56,610 any other weird things out there that 1268 00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:58,320 made you question like what could that 1269 00:55:02,960 --> 00:54:58,740 be 1270 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:02,970 oh I mean I saw that UFO that time the 1271 00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:04,770 Queen Charlotte's yes so yeah that was 1272 00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:16,230 true and I mean but scary huh unusual 1273 00:55:21,340 --> 00:55:18,300 phenomena are not always skin I was on a 1274 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:21,350 ship one time tanker and we were leaving 1275 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:24,450 valdez loaded with North Slope crew 1276 00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:30,450 around 650,000 barrels and my job at the 1277 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:32,820 time was to secure the deck for sea to 1278 00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:34,250 you know to go make sure all the 1279 00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:36,270 everything's tied down and everything 1280 00:55:41,810 --> 00:55:40,260 was tight and secured and during the 1281 00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:41,820 time we were finishing the loading it 1282 00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,470 had been a cold clear winter night and 1283 00:55:48,020 --> 00:55:44,880 the aurora borealis was just 1284 00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:48,030 unbelievable but was it was up in the 1285 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:48,270 sky 1286 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:50,190 as you would normally think but was 1287 00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:51,570 really strange as we were leaving that 1288 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:53,720 day in Valdez or that night I should say 1289 00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,130 all of a sudden like a curtain 1290 00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,800 descending on the ship the aurora 1291 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:01,680 borealis was like attracted to our to 1292 00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:03,210 the deck of the front part of our ship 1293 00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:04,920 and we were surrounded we were covered 1294 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:07,740 how aurora borealis and I was in the 1295 00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:11,130 middle of it so he's out on deck and and 1296 00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:13,190 I'm walking through this undulating 1297 00:56:18,610 --> 00:56:16,350 green and blue and red and it's almost 1298 00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:18,620 like vibrating and I hear this bounce 1299 00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:21,750 almost like like plasma is something 1300 00:56:28,610 --> 00:56:25,020 this in the hair on my arms goes up you 1301 00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,620 know and it was very strange so surreal 1302 00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:30,180 and so it was so beautiful 1303 00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:33,030 then I was just in this I was like like 1304 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:35,550 wading through the aurora borealis and 1305 00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:38,610 like it was alive it was like life it's 1306 00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:42,510 exactly what it was like and it lasted 1307 00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:44,280 about it lasted about 20 minutes and I 1308 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:45,480 don't know whether we because we changed 1309 00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:47,400 course and went into Valdez arm or I 1310 00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:51,180 don't know what but it lifted back up 1311 00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:52,590 and went back up into the sky where it 1312 00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:54,900 normally is but how special that was a 1313 00:57:00,830 --> 00:56:57,510 single most surreal moment of Milan when 1314 00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:00,840 I was in that it was it was like I felt 1315 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:03,270 this piece there sounds strange when I 1316 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:05,640 hope this piece that I had never felt 1317 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:08,010 before it was it was so brilliant to 1318 00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,510 what wonder why that would have been 1319 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:11,880 though I mean like embraced it's like 1320 00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,010 you're embraced by something special 1321 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:16,740 yeah I would say could be more of us I 1322 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:18,330 was thinking more of a freaked out thing 1323 00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:21,330 because of the no it was beautiful it 1324 00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,830 was it was absolutely beautiful was 1325 00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:23,280 sublime 1326 00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:25,380 it was we make a nice book title as 1327 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:30,510 embraced by the world Alice it was 1328 00:57:36,830 --> 00:57:33,330 beautiful always strange scary things 1329 00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:36,840 have happened to see jeez that's 1330 00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:39,150 gorgeous that's it has that ever been 1331 00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,800 reported to have happen to somebody 1332 00:57:45,110 --> 00:57:43,200 before I've never heard of it well 1333 00:57:47,810 --> 00:57:45,120 there's been reports of the aurora 1334 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:47,820 borealis coming down on land to Pete 1335 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:50,370 with people it's not actually it's not 1336 00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:55,470 there's many anecdotes of people who 1337 00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:58,330 live in northern climes walking you know 1338 00:58:01,100 --> 00:57:59,530 they're snowshoeing out in the middle of 1339 00:58:04,170 --> 00:58:01,110 the night and all of a sudden you know 1340 00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:04,180 as there is they're going it covers them 1341 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:06,790 it's not only up in the sky but I don't 1342 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:07,930 think I've ever heard anybody say it 1343 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:09,970 happened on a ship that I saw that time 1344 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:11,770 but I've read to this happen ashore many 1345 00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,400 times oh lucky Wow let me ask you this 1346 00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:21,040 what's the it's piracy on the way up or 1347 00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,070 the Caribbean say or other piracy piracy 1348 00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:28,480 has been with us Kevon for as long as 1349 00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:31,680 they've been Mariners going to see and 1350 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:35,160 it's no different now piracy is still 1351 00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:39,970 occurring the I have to say that the hot 1352 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:43,600 spots well the hot spot was over in 1353 00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:47,170 Somalia off of Somalia where captain 1354 00:58:51,690 --> 00:58:50,200 Phillips got abducted and that used to 1355 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:51,700 be the hot spot but International 1356 00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:55,210 Cooperation has changed things and the 1357 00:59:02,090 --> 00:58:58,690 there there's now military the 1358 00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:02,100 militaries of the world have been 1359 00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:04,030 guarding merchant ships as they go 1360 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:05,830 through this area and they've been 1361 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:07,210 supporting the Pirates now the big 1362 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:10,510 piracy area now is in West Africa in the 1363 00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:13,090 oil fields of Nigeria where a an 1364 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:15,700 American actually they're from Louisiana 1365 00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,090 American captain and chief engineer for 1366 00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:21,280 Edison SH West working down there and an 1367 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:23,830 oilfield boat and they got abducted by 1368 00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:26,650 pirates and over in the Malacca Strait 1369 00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:32,260 now the that area was down in piracy for 1370 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:33,670 a while but that's coming back up now 1371 00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:36,370 the air in Indonesia Singapore over 1372 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:38,860 there that's coming back up but there 1373 00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:43,570 were 180 reported incidents worldwide of 1374 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:48,700 armed robbery and piracy but everybody 1375 00:59:52,410 --> 00:59:51,370 knows the insurance industry it's kind 1376 00:59:55,740 --> 00:59:52,420 of like an insurance when you get a 1377 00:59:58,170 --> 00:59:55,750 fender bender depending on how bad it is 1378 00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:58,180 you may or may not report it to your 1379 01:00:01,140 --> 00:59:59,410 insurance company you might just take 1380 01:00:03,150 --> 01:00:01,150 care of it on your own or the person who 1381 01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:03,160 bumps you might take care of it without 1382 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:04,630 going to the insurance and that same 1383 01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:06,310 thing happens on a ship 1384 01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:08,920 armed robbery is piracy that's in close 1385 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:11,740 to land you know in many times in 1386 01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,530 territorial waters piracy is the same 1387 01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:16,000 thing the same varmitech but it's 1388 01:00:23,970 --> 01:00:19,510 offshore further but piracy and armed 1389 01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:23,980 robbery occur regularly and worldwide 1390 01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:26,950 and I believe personally that it's one 1391 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:29,320 thing that recreational boaters are not 1392 01:00:34,860 --> 01:00:32,290 aware of we have a friend who who's a 1393 01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:34,870 lawyer he's a retired lawyer and he told 1394 01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:36,460 me I'm gonna go down to Mexico on my 1395 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:38,260 sailboat gonna go down the coast from 1396 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:39,730 Seattle and cruise down and go down to 1397 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:41,020 Mexico and going down there for the 1398 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:43,810 winter now I told him I said you better 1399 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:45,970 watch out for armed robbers brother and 1400 01:00:50,550 --> 01:00:46,930 he goes what do you mean 1401 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:50,560 and I said armed robbers they love 1402 01:00:55,110 --> 01:00:51,970 recreational boaters they're great 1403 01:00:58,110 --> 01:00:55,120 targets and so they'll they'll hit 1404 01:01:00,420 --> 01:00:58,120 recreational boats many voters will have 1405 01:01:02,070 --> 01:01:00,430 weapons but you know most countries many 1406 01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:02,080 countries don't allow the private 1407 01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:03,700 ownership of weapons in Mexico is one of 1408 01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,800 them so you can't declare your weapon 1409 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:06,880 when you're going in there and the 1410 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:08,290 Pirates know that and the robbers know 1411 01:01:12,690 --> 01:01:10,210 this so they'll take your weapon your 1412 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:12,700 valuables and if you're lucky they'll 1413 01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:14,290 leave you alive on the on the beach and 1414 01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:15,550 after taking your boat and all your 1415 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:18,820 stuff so so any of your any of your 1416 01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:20,290 listeners that have this great dream to 1417 01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:24,400 go boating and you know to live to live 1418 01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:26,830 the life at sea I would say this pick 1419 01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:30,550 and choose your locations well let it 1420 01:01:34,860 --> 01:01:33,670 have a good voyage plan that people know 1421 01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:34,870 where you're going to be going where are 1422 01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,790 you going to be expected and finally go 1423 01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:39,280 in a group don't you know that's what I 1424 01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,880 told him 1425 01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:41,440 boats just sitting there anchoring out 1426 01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,000 on your own at night you know waiting to 1427 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:45,280 move out you know to sail the next day 1428 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:47,410 out there by yourself get in a big group 1429 01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:49,210 go to a place where you know maybe a 1430 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:50,470 port area where there's lots of people 1431 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:52,930 and stick to that area when you when 1432 01:01:58,770 --> 01:01:55,450 you're doing that because piracy still 1433 01:02:05,130 --> 01:01:58,780 exists and armed robbery still exists as 1434 01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:05,140 well can this aviation yeah I was yeah 1435 01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,780 as a matter of fact I worked with the 1436 01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:09,760 guy who was the first officer with 1437 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:10,780 captain Phillips I don't know if you 1438 01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:12,010 guys saw the movie 1439 01:02:17,819 --> 01:02:15,180 captain Phillips with Tom Hanks but the 1440 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:17,829 first officer who took over for captain 1441 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:19,930 Phillips and became the captain when he 1442 01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:21,490 was abducted was a guy named Shane 1443 01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:24,160 Murphy and I sailed with Shane Murphy on 1444 01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:28,079 a on another tanker and we were hit by 1445 01:02:33,539 --> 01:02:31,089 pirates are we were hit by armed 1446 01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:33,549 intruders off the coast of the Dominican 1447 01:02:40,589 --> 01:02:36,940 Republic in the Caribbean and it was on 1448 01:02:42,779 --> 01:02:40,599 my watch actually and we were boarded we 1449 01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:42,789 had two armed guards with weapons that 1450 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:46,390 were patrolling the ship and we were 1451 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:47,650 boarded right after midnight on 1452 01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:54,130 Christmas Day and the the one of the 1453 01:02:59,849 --> 01:02:57,720 guards told me said you know there's 1454 01:03:02,640 --> 01:02:59,859 intruders on board and they ran after 1455 01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:02,650 him and I wasn't the captain on that 1456 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:03,880 ship I was filling in for a friend of 1457 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:06,730 mine and I called the captain who was I 1458 01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:07,930 called the captain who was a friend I 1459 01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:09,160 said we've been bored he goes why don't 1460 01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,240 you go back and check it out and I said 1461 01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,160 what and I did we don't know we didn't 1462 01:03:16,589 --> 01:03:13,599 have weapons onboard all I had was a 1463 01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:16,599 huge pipe wrench so I grabbed this pipe 1464 01:03:20,099 --> 01:03:18,190 wrench in one hand on the radio and the 1465 01:03:22,259 --> 01:03:20,109 other and I'm making my way back and all 1466 01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:22,269 of a sudden I hear Pam power is a 1467 01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:25,480 gunfight in the back yeah and I ducked 1468 01:03:28,859 --> 01:03:26,680 and want to make sure you know that I 1469 01:03:31,019 --> 01:03:28,869 mean I would I wasn't burned and the two 1470 01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:31,029 guards and they got into a shootout with 1471 01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:33,190 the Pirates and the upshot of it was 1472 01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,529 that there was one pirate that had his 1473 01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:37,359 head blown off and he was floating in 1474 01:03:43,769 --> 01:03:38,680 the water at the base of the ship but 1475 01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:43,779 the others got away yes oh yes yes the 1476 01:03:47,279 --> 01:03:45,910 prior to the Caribbean still exist yeah 1477 01:03:49,529 --> 01:03:47,289 and actually they always said you know 1478 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:49,539 what I bet you guys don't know I bet you 1479 01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,650 guys don't know you got to watch the 1480 01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:52,240 season you got to watch a sailor we love 1481 01:03:58,319 --> 01:03:55,990 telling stories but the most coming just 1482 01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:58,329 about up to her okay I've got me 1483 01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,680 interrupt but we're coming to our last 1484 01:04:03,630 --> 01:04:01,839 break and we'll be okay won't ask you 1485 01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,640 but I want to ask you about Donald Trump 1486 01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:05,680 - or have a few issues okay well I was 1487 01:04:09,779 --> 01:04:07,000 gonna tell you about a woman pirate we 1488 01:04:11,490 --> 01:04:09,789 can save that for the next time oh well 1489 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:11,500 no we we'll be right back we'll have 1490 01:04:19,859 --> 01:04:18,420 when I captain I this is great stuff I 1491 01:04:23,609 --> 01:04:19,869 mean if people don't appreciate this 1492 01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:23,619 they oughta pistol whips because this is 1493 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:25,390 exciting stuff there's the underwater 1494 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:27,190 UFOs there's pirates hopping and bopping 1495 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:32,410 around sharks of rogue waves 1496 01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:34,210 whirlpools I mean this isn't a regular 1497 01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:38,220 stuff this is not regular stuff that's 1498 01:04:45,930 --> 01:04:42,670 life at sea which one qualifies us your 1499 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:45,940 scariest moment out on the sea okay for 1500 01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:48,850 me the most the most scared I ever was I 1501 01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:52,380 was I was on a automobile carrier 1502 01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:55,920 carrying Toyota's and Lexuses basically 1503 01:05:05,250 --> 01:05:00,640 5000 of them from Toyohashi Japan to the 1504 01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:05,260 US and we had a severe winter storm in 1505 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:07,740 the Aleutian Islands and then it was 1506 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:11,410 gusts to 120 miles an hour we had 40 to 1507 01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:13,530 50 foot season we're talking ability 1508 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:16,900 arcing lot of all these cars and what 1509 01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:18,610 you never and you and your dad was right 1510 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:19,900 him and when you were talking about your 1511 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:22,720 dad and how he kept his bow into the 1512 01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:24,970 wave you know and that's the the best 1513 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:27,369 way to handle bad weather is you 1514 01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:29,290 basically want to have an off your bow a 1515 01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:30,760 little bit but you want to head into it 1516 01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:32,590 you don't want the waves if at all 1517 01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:35,320 possible the last resort is you want is 1518 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:37,840 to have the waves broadside what we call 1519 01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,850 brides they were all yeah I mean you on 1520 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:41,440 your start hitting you on one side of 1521 01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:43,690 the other Shore sure well that's what 1522 01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:46,390 happened to us the third officer allowed 1523 01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:48,700 the ship I was a second officer officer 1524 01:05:53,099 --> 01:05:51,190 allowed the ship to swing too much the 1525 01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:53,109 wind caught us and the next thing you 1526 01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:55,510 know we're broadside to the wind a 45 or 1527 01:06:01,050 --> 01:05:58,920 50 foot wave came in right next BAM 1528 01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:01,060 we're talking a ship that's two hundred 1529 01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:03,790 two four two football fields long 660 1530 01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:07,060 feet it hit us like a and it buckled the 1531 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:09,400 haul like you know it buckled the hole 1532 01:06:14,070 --> 01:06:12,130 like if you had drunk a soda can like a 1533 01:06:16,109 --> 01:06:14,080 coca-cola can and held it with each hand 1534 01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:16,119 and just crinkled the can with your hand 1535 01:06:20,609 --> 01:06:17,920 that's what it did to our ship it put a 1536 01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:20,619 crease in the side of the ship and then 1537 01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:22,630 the things started moving back and forth 1538 01:06:25,530 --> 01:06:24,550 and you know what happens after you work 1539 01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:25,540 it for a little while you're going to 1540 01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:27,620 get a hole in that can and that's 1541 01:06:32,260 --> 01:06:29,150 what happened it was going to be 1542 01:06:34,780 --> 01:06:32,270 33-degree green sea water coming in 1543 01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:34,790 flooding the ship sinking us killing us 1544 01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:36,440 all and there's no way that anybody was 1545 01:06:42,220 --> 01:06:38,990 gonna rescue us in 120 knot winds and 45 1546 01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:42,230 foot seas oh yes so the last thing I 1547 01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:43,580 remember down below the engineers were 1548 01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:45,470 getting ready to weld a plate on there 1549 01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:47,380 on the inside to keep it from moving I 1550 01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,150 went up to the bridge where the captain 1551 01:06:55,390 --> 01:06:52,640 had relieved the third mate and was on 1552 01:06:58,270 --> 01:06:55,400 the on the wheel himself trying to write 1553 01:07:00,550 --> 01:06:58,280 that ship back in for 24 hours he fought 1554 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:00,560 that thing back and forth trying to get 1555 01:07:05,110 --> 01:07:03,290 us you know where we were righted all 1556 01:07:08,350 --> 01:07:05,120 that time I was carrying my survival 1557 01:07:10,090 --> 01:07:08,360 suit with me and that and I thought it 1558 01:07:12,220 --> 01:07:10,100 was really going to be the end I was 1559 01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:12,230 gonna call my wife on the satellite 1560 01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:14,510 phone we had a satellite phone on I was 1561 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:15,950 really gonna call her and say you know I 1562 01:07:21,940 --> 01:07:17,570 love you but I think this is going to be 1563 01:07:25,060 --> 01:07:21,950 the end of it and luckily we got righted 1564 01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:25,070 and we limped into port and it turned 1565 01:07:29,710 --> 01:07:26,720 out to be okay and I lived to tell the 1566 01:07:31,060 --> 01:07:29,720 tale but for for that amount of time I 1567 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:31,070 knew that there was no way we were gonna 1568 01:07:35,950 --> 01:07:33,170 be rescued there's no way we could be 1569 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:35,960 saved and that I had to face the 1570 01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:38,690 possibility that I might end up dying 1571 01:07:45,850 --> 01:07:41,140 that night and it was a sobering thought 1572 01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:45,860 dad goodness like Sweeney is there 1573 01:07:49,330 --> 01:07:47,240 anything else you really could have done 1574 01:07:52,690 --> 01:07:49,340 with your life I don't think so I mean 1575 01:07:54,850 --> 01:07:52,700 this is Barbara's we need Todd the 1576 01:07:55,330 --> 01:07:54,860 Barber of Seville because I'm like 1577 01:07:57,850 --> 01:07:55,340 Sweeney 1578 01:08:03,580 --> 01:07:57,860 captain it just goes it just flows I 1579 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:03,590 just had you know I'm a direct 1580 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:06,650 descendent of Captain James Cook no I 1581 01:08:10,540 --> 01:08:07,930 didn't know that 1582 01:08:12,010 --> 01:08:10,550 yeah dry out the Senate yeah matter of 1583 01:08:13,780 --> 01:08:12,020 fact if you look at an oil painting of 1584 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:13,790 me looks kind of I mean of him he looks 1585 01:08:18,430 --> 01:08:16,610 kind of like me interesting well I I 1586 01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:18,440 hope given that you a you end up a 1587 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:21,790 little better than Captain Cook you well 1588 01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:23,810 bullying with the native women 1589 01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:30,260 everything don't anger the native 1590 01:08:37,390 --> 01:08:35,600 wherever you go and as well see that's 1591 01:08:38,830 --> 01:08:37,400 what happened Heidi is the island of 1592 01:08:40,769 --> 01:08:38,840 Tonga I think it was they were all 1593 01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:40,779 horsing around the Native women the 1594 01:08:45,930 --> 01:08:43,799 natives got restless and they killed him 1595 01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:45,940 they had a good life bill there though 1596 01:08:53,309 --> 01:08:50,140 but let me ask you let me ask you this 1597 01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:53,319 though well how would a fella become a 1598 01:09:00,180 --> 01:08:55,450 mariner if you're the listening audience 1599 01:09:01,499 --> 01:09:00,190 how would a to go into the profession 1600 01:09:04,289 --> 01:09:01,509 these days there's not like the days of 1601 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:04,299 Joseph Conrad and sailing ships where 1602 01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:05,770 you just walk down to the dock and you 1603 01:09:11,220 --> 01:09:07,720 know hey you hire on as a crew member on 1604 01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:11,230 some vessel the Coast Guard controls our 1605 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:15,069 documentation and our licensing and so 1606 01:09:19,950 --> 01:09:18,130 there's really regardless of how anybody 1607 01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,960 enters into the business you're going to 1608 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,520 have to expect to pay money and take 1609 01:09:24,809 --> 01:09:23,440 classes and if you want to go 1610 01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:24,819 entry-level if somebody wants to go 1611 01:09:29,190 --> 01:09:27,670 entry-level takes about six months there 1612 01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:29,200 is basic classes you have to take and 1613 01:09:31,860 --> 01:09:30,190 then you have to apply to the Coast 1614 01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:31,870 Guard to obtain your credential and 1615 01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:34,120 that's just to work as a basic 1616 01:09:39,900 --> 01:09:37,630 entry-level position washing dishes or 1617 01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:39,910 you know something like that and then 1618 01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:43,630 for those who want to go further into 1619 01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:45,700 the business they have one in two year 1620 01:09:50,519 --> 01:09:48,089 programs and apprenticeships that 1621 01:09:52,650 --> 01:09:50,529 community colleges there's one Community 1622 01:09:54,420 --> 01:09:52,660 College one in Seattle for example where 1623 01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:54,430 people can go when you start up higher 1624 01:10:00,000 --> 01:09:57,220 than entry-level but it takes longer and 1625 01:10:01,470 --> 01:10:00,010 it cost you more money and then if you 1626 01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:01,480 really want to get into the profession 1627 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:04,030 and make it a career like I did 1628 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:07,090 there's four-year colleges there's one 1629 01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:09,490 in Maine a number of them on the East 1630 01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:10,660 Coast the one I went to was in 1631 01:10:15,330 --> 01:10:13,210 California the Great Lakes has a 1632 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:15,340 two-year program yeah 1633 01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:19,180 the Great Lakes Maritime Academy you can 1634 01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:21,160 go to and come out as an officer a 1635 01:10:25,650 --> 01:10:23,800 Decker engine officer and start up 1636 01:10:28,710 --> 01:10:25,660 higher up and that's the route I chose 1637 01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:28,720 but that's not that's not first of all 1638 01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:30,220 it's not easy I mean you know you got to 1639 01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:32,470 go through college for four years but 1640 01:10:36,380 --> 01:10:34,030 the other thing is that it's very 1641 01:10:38,970 --> 01:10:36,390 expensive I'm the kid down the street 1642 01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:38,980 and of course we live in Washington he 1643 01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,350 wanted to go to my alma mater California 1644 01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:42,880 Maritime Academy where the California 1645 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:44,710 State University Maritime colleges of 1646 01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,010 what it's called officially but 1647 01:10:50,010 --> 01:10:49,120 out-of-state tuition for him for four 1648 01:10:53,190 --> 01:10:50,020 years was going to prob 1649 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:53,200 about $170,000 Oh Oh 1650 01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:55,570 again oh yeah but then again you know 1651 01:11:02,250 --> 01:10:57,160 when you graduate you can pay that back 1652 01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:02,260 in two years working at C's so well but 1653 01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:04,030 it's not easy to get into the profession 1654 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:05,230 but that's the way they break in now 1655 01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:06,850 Kevin is you can't just go down there 1656 01:11:11,550 --> 01:11:10,240 and say okay I'd like to join so I got 1657 01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:11,560 off for a pretty good deal led to be 1658 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:13,900 started a third mate then he capped it 1659 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:15,730 in a year I guess that was you certainly 1660 01:11:19,290 --> 01:11:18,250 did and back in the day that was a good 1661 01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:19,300 way to go but that doesn't happen 1662 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:20,830 anymore with the credentialing and the 1663 01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:21,970 requirements that the training 1664 01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,310 requirements schooling requirements that 1665 01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:27,040 the Coast Guard is mandated people get 1666 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:31,060 well that was several type of stuff well 1667 01:11:34,980 --> 01:11:33,250 that was several decades ago so let me 1668 01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:34,990 ask you this what does Trump but done 1669 01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:39,840 with his OBP decision is it er well I 1670 01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:42,310 haven't been happy with the President 1671 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:43,960 Trump as a mariner from a Mariners point 1672 01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,930 of view for one thing he allowed 1673 01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:49,120 exemptions to the Jones Act which 1674 01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:55,060 requires American ships carry whatever 1675 01:11:59,730 --> 01:11:57,370 their need to be carried from American 1676 01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,740 port to American port his administration 1677 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:01,980 allowed many more exemptions to that and 1678 01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:06,850 the biggest thing was that there at the 1679 01:12:12,330 --> 01:12:09,430 end of the last administration there was 1680 01:12:15,450 --> 01:12:12,340 a announcement by the Customs and Border 1681 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:15,460 Patrol that a loophole a huge legal 1682 01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:17,410 loophole that allows foreign Mariners to 1683 01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:19,060 be working in the Gulf of Mexico waters 1684 01:12:23,850 --> 01:12:20,830 they were going to eliminate that 1685 01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:23,860 loophole and this cost Americans 1686 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:27,220 thousands and thousands of jobs anyway 1687 01:12:32,190 --> 01:12:29,170 when the current administration took 1688 01:12:35,340 --> 01:12:32,200 over they rescinded that proposal and so 1689 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:35,350 now as and with the Gulf of Mexico is 1690 01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:37,450 really hurting the maritime wise as far 1691 01:12:41,580 --> 01:12:38,920 as employment with the price of oil 1692 01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:41,590 being low at a time when we really could 1693 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:44,760 have used you know four or five thousand 1694 01:12:50,010 --> 01:12:48,370 maritime jobs on these vessels the 1695 01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:50,020 current administration allows us a 1696 01:12:54,270 --> 01:12:52,030 loophole and the foreign Mariners to 1697 01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:54,280 still work there so as a friend of mine 1698 01:12:58,770 --> 01:12:56,710 a captain who's unemployed and looking 1699 01:13:00,619 --> 01:12:58,780 for work told me goes well I guess 1700 01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:00,629 making America great again doesn't apply 1701 01:13:07,459 --> 01:13:04,739 the u.s. Merchant Marines wow that's 1702 01:13:10,129 --> 01:13:07,469 something you don't hear very often yeah 1703 01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:10,139 you've been very very very disappointed 1704 01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:13,199 yeah well that's that's a really bizarre 1705 01:13:17,659 --> 01:13:15,510 well I want it before we let you go 1706 01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:17,669 Cap'n I've enjoyed the heck out of it 1707 01:13:23,509 --> 01:13:20,129 but now your your website is maritime 1708 01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:23,519 headhunters calm yeah the our business 1709 01:13:28,429 --> 01:13:26,070 so my wife and I run his maritime hence 1710 01:13:30,859 --> 01:13:28,439 calm as a maritime job placement and 1711 01:13:33,469 --> 01:13:30,869 counselling service and we have but I 1712 01:13:36,799 --> 01:13:33,479 still have an active license and I still 1713 01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:36,809 do pick and choose but I still AM 1714 01:13:41,569 --> 01:13:39,300 available to do relief work at sea 1715 01:13:42,949 --> 01:13:41,579 filling in for people you know I'm not 1716 01:13:45,409 --> 01:13:42,959 going to do it full-time anymore I'm 1717 01:13:46,849 --> 01:13:45,419 past that time in my career but I still 1718 01:13:49,879 --> 01:13:46,859 have a current license and I'm still 1719 01:13:51,799 --> 01:13:49,889 available to fill in offshore and I 1720 01:13:53,869 --> 01:13:51,809 write as you mentioned for the biggest 1721 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:53,879 maritime magazine that deals with 1722 01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:55,530 professional Mariners called 1723 01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,510 professional Mariner and I have my own 1724 01:14:02,119 --> 01:13:59,820 column in there and have for 10 years 1725 01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:02,129 and the readers can go to professional 1726 01:14:06,589 --> 01:14:04,679 merit or calm and they can click on the 1727 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:06,599 Mariners notebook and they'll see my 1728 01:14:09,889 --> 01:14:08,489 picture and then they have an archive of 1729 01:14:13,549 --> 01:14:09,899 my articles they can go all the way back 1730 01:14:15,379 --> 01:14:13,559 to 2008 and check out all the articles 1731 01:14:17,839 --> 01:14:15,389 that I've written about current topics 1732 01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:17,849 that affect Mariners and I of course 1733 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:19,409 there's one that I with the current 1734 01:14:24,589 --> 01:14:21,570 administration was a topic of one of my 1735 01:14:26,959 --> 01:14:24,599 articles not too long ago and see what I 1736 01:14:30,409 --> 01:14:26,969 have written over the past 10 years and 1737 01:14:32,179 --> 01:14:30,419 I also have a book from the bridge yeah 1738 01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:32,189 people can get that at Amazon from the 1739 01:14:35,899 --> 01:14:33,719 bridge authentic modern sea stories 1740 01:14:39,049 --> 01:14:35,909 which is not some work of fiction this 1741 01:14:40,459 --> 01:14:39,059 is my own experience at sea and even 1742 01:14:43,129 --> 01:14:40,469 though it's on a slope bill but thanks 1743 01:14:45,169 --> 01:14:43,139 to my wife I am beginning to start the 1744 01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:45,179 second volume of that I'm not that nice 1745 01:14:48,849 --> 01:14:47,249 but when I do I'll make sure I get a 1746 01:14:51,589 --> 01:14:48,859 hold of you we could talk about it 1747 01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:51,599 please do and I would join it immensely 1748 01:14:56,569 --> 01:14:53,699 and it's can send you a link to the show 1749 01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:56,579 and I guess we better sail off into the 1750 01:15:03,649 --> 01:15:02,010 night ourselves but I've enjoyed yes and 1751 01:15:05,770 --> 01:15:03,659 I certainly enjoyed it and I wish all of 1752 01:15:08,869 --> 01:15:05,780 you and all the listeners out there